Proving - properties of quadratic roots

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around proving properties of the roots of quadratic equations, specifically focusing on the implications of the discriminant being negative or zero. Participants explore the mathematical reasoning behind these properties, including the use of the quadratic formula.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in proving mathematical facts related to quadratic equations and asks for guidance on how to approach the problem.
  • Another participant suggests examining the quadratic formula and the discriminant to answer the questions posed.
  • A participant provides the roots of the quadratic equation when the discriminant is negative, indicating that both roots are imaginary.
  • Another participant refines the expression for the imaginary roots, emphasizing the need to express the roots in a specific form that includes the imaginary unit.
  • There is a discussion about the necessity of negating the discriminant when it is negative to facilitate the extraction of the imaginary unit.
  • Clarification is provided regarding the manipulation of the discriminant to ensure the expression under the radical is positive.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the mathematical reasoning behind the properties of quadratic roots related to the discriminant, but there are nuances in the expressions and manipulations discussed. The discussion remains somewhat exploratory as participants clarify their understanding of the quadratic formula.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the properties of the discriminant and its implications for the roots are discussed, but the conversation does not resolve all potential ambiguities in the mathematical expressions presented.

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This is one of my weakness in Math, to prove an existing fact. please Tell how to go about doing these problem.

1. Prove that when the discriminant of a quadratic equation with
real coefficients is negative, the equation has two imaginary
solutions.

2. Prove that when the discriminant of a quadratic equation with
real coefficients is zero, the equation has one real solution.

regards!:)
 
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Re: Proving

Here again, you want to look at the quadratic formula, particularly the discriminant. Answering this question will help you answer your other question. Tell me what you see when you look at the quadratic formula...
 
Re: Proving

MarkFL said:
Here again, you want to look at the quadratic formula, particularly the discriminant. Answering this question will help you answer your other question. Tell me what you see when you look at the quadratic formula...
when the $b^2-4ac<0$

the roots are

$x=\frac{-b+\sqrt{b^-4ac}i}{2a}$ and $x=\frac{-b-\sqrt{b^-4ac}i}{2a}$ they are both imaginary.

for the 2nd question

when $b^2-4ac=0$

the roots are

$x=\frac{-b}{2a}$ and $x=\frac{-b}{2a}$

root of multiplicity two(double root)
 
Your reasoning is sound, but for the imaginary case, you want to express the roots as:

$$x=\frac{-b\pm i\sqrt{4ac-b^2}}{2a}$$

Do you see how we negated the discriminant to pull $i$ out front?
 
do you mean $\sqrt{-(4ac-b^2)}=i\sqrt{4ac-b^2}$

but why do we have to negate the discriminant if it is assumed to be $b^2-4ac<0$ already?
 
Drain Brain said:
do you mean $\sqrt{-(4ac-b^2)}=i\sqrt{4ac-b^2}$

but why do we have to negate the discriminant if it is assumed to be $b^2-4ac<0$ already?

We want what's under the radical to be positive, so if it is initially negative, we pull $i$ out, and then negate the radicand so that it is now positive.
 
MarkFL said:
We want what's under the radical to be positive, so if it is initially negative, we pull $i$ out, and then negate the radicand so that it is now positive.

Thanks! now it's clear!
 

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