Proving the Convergence of (y_n) Given a Properly Divergent Sequence (x_n)

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The discussion centers on proving that if (x_n) is a properly divergent and unbounded sequence, and the limit of (x_n * y_n) exists, then (y_n) must converge to 0. Participants note that if (y_n) is bounded but does not converge to 0, it leads to contradictions regarding the behavior of the product (x_n * y_n). Clarification is sought on the definition of a properly divergent sequence, which is described as one where the partial sums can grow arbitrarily large or small. An example provided does not meet the criteria of being unbounded above, prompting further exploration of valid sequences. The conversation concludes with a recognition that understanding the definitions is crucial for completing the proof.
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Homework Statement


Suppose that (x_n) is a properly divergent sequence, and suppose that (x_n) is unbounded above. Suppose that there exists a sequence (y_n) such that limit (x_n * y_n) exists. Prove that (y_n) ===> 0.


Homework Equations


(x_n) ===> 0 <====> (1/x_n) ===> 0


The Attempt at a Solution


One can say with certanty that (y_n) must be bounded, as if it weren't, for all K in Naturals, there exists a b_1 in (x_n) > |K| and b_2 > |K|, and there product is unbounded.

If (y_n) is bounded, and does not converge to 0, then... what?

That's where I'm stuck. How do I finish this?

Thanks.
 
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If y_n does not converge to zero then there is an e>0 such that for all N there is an n>N such that |y_n|>e. If x_n is unbounded, what does this tell about y_n*x_n?
 
When I was trying to prove it directly (for fun), I met some problems.
What is a *properly* divergent sequence?( I cannot find its definition in books)
If x_n is defined as follows:
x_n = 0 when n is even, x_n = n when n is odd
is it of such kind?
If so, define y_n as:
y_n = 1 when n is even, y_n = 0 when n is odd

does this gives x_n*y_n = 0, as a counter??
 
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boombaby said:
When I was trying to prove it directly (for fun), I met some problems.
What is a *properly* divergent sequence?( I cannot find its definition in books)
If x_n is defined as follows:
x_n = 0 when n is even, x_n = n when n is odd
is it of such kind?
If so, define y_n as:
y_n = 1 when n is even, y_n = 0 when n is odd

does this gives x_n*y_n = 0, as a counter??
The crucial part of the problem is "suppose that (x_n) is unbounded above". Your example does not satisfy that.
 
A properly divergent series is one such that

(mathematics) A series whose partial sums become either arbitrarily large or arbitrarily small (algebraically).

So turning each partial sum into an element of the sequence, I believe a properly divergent sequence is one in which for all M there exists k s.t. j>k => |xj|>M
 
Office_Shredder said:
A properly divergent series is one such that

(mathematics) A series whose partial sums become either arbitrarily large or arbitrarily small (algebraically).

So turning each partial sum into an element of the sequence, I believe a properly divergent sequence is one in which for all M there exists k s.t. j>k => |xj|>M

Thanks..I forgot to search the web... That would make sense. So a direct proof is also not hard.

BTW, to HallsofIvy, my x_n do satisfy the unboundedness, IMO.
 
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