Proving the Mapping f:S^2\times \mathbb{R} \rightarrow S^2

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The discussion revolves around proving a mapping from \( S^2 \times \mathbb{R} \) to \( S^2 \) using a specific function defined in \( \mathbb{R}^3 \). Participants explore the properties of the mapping and its relation to the geometry of spheres, focusing on the implications of the mapping's output being constrained to the sphere.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks help with a Differential Geometry exam question involving a mapping defined in \( \mathbb{R}^3 \).
  • Another participant suggests showing that the range of the mapping corresponds to a sphere in \( \mathbb{R}^3 \).
  • A participant proposes that to verify if a curve lies on the sphere, one must check if the sum of the squares of its coordinates equals one.
  • One participant attempts to derive the condition for the mapping to lie on the sphere by expanding and simplifying the expression derived from the mapping.
  • There is a discussion about whether the proof is reversible, with participants questioning the implications of their findings regarding points on the sphere.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about how to demonstrate the necessary conditions for the mapping to confirm it lies on the sphere.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the proof's validity or the necessary steps to demonstrate that the mapping from \( S^2 \times \mathbb{R} \) to \( S^2 \) holds. Multiple viewpoints and uncertainties persist regarding the implications of their mathematical reasoning.

Contextual Notes

Participants express confusion over the relationship between the mapping and the conditions for points to lie on the sphere, indicating potential gaps in understanding the proof's requirements.

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I wonder if anyone can help with this question. It's a part of a Differential Geometry exam question which I can't get!

A map \mathbb{R}^3 \times \mathbb{R} \rightarrow \mathbb{R}^3 is defined by

((x,y,z),t) \longmapsto \left( \frac{x}{z\sinh t+\cosh t},\frac{y}{z\sinh t+\cosh t},\frac{z\cosh t+\sinh t}{z\sinh t+\cosh t}\right)

Show that this determines a mapping f:S^2\times \mathbb{R} \rightarrow S^2.

I tried substituiting polar coordinates for S2 in place of (x,y,z) in the above function. Then I figured that if the function's image is a subset of S2, then the coordinates must satisfy z=\sqrt{1-x^2-y^2}. However, I can't get this to work, and so it's probably not the correct method!

Any help/hints would be greatly appreciated!
 
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Well, the target space of your mapping is {\mathbold R}^3. Can you show that the range of your mapping is an ordinary round sphere in that space?

If you don't see it yet, try this: I give you the coordinates of a curve (x,y,z)(t), how could you show that the curve lies on a sphere x^2 +y^2 + z^2 = 1, if it does?
 
Well, if the curve lies on the sphere, then it must satisfy the equation x^2 +y^2 + z^2 = 1. So would I just square the components on the RHS of the expression for the mapping above, and show that they sum to 1? However, the terms contain x,y,z- i.e. it is not expressed explicitly in t so I'm not sure this would work.

Sorry, I'm sure there's something really basic here that I'm just not seeing!
 
ACtually, I think I've got it. We want \left(\frac{x}{z\sinh t+\cosh t}\right)^2 + \left(\frac{y}{z\sinh t+\cosh t}\right)^2+\left(\frac{z\cosh t+\sinh t}{z\sinh t+\cosh t}\right)^2=1

So, x^2+y^2+(z\cosh t+\sinh t)^2=(z\sinh t+\cosh t)^2

Expanding and simplifying this gives x^2+y^2+z^2=1, and so the range of the mapping is on the sphere.

Is this right?
 
cristo said:
ACtually, I think I've got it. We want \left(\frac{x}{z\sinh t+\cosh t}\right)^2 + \left(\frac{y}{z\sinh t+\cosh t}\right)^2+\left(\frac{z\cosh t+\sinh t}{z\sinh t+\cosh t}\right)^2=1

So, x^2+y^2+(z\cosh t+\sinh t)^2=(z\sinh t+\cosh t)^2

Expanding and simplifying this gives x^2+y^2+z^2=1, and so the range of the mapping is on the sphere.

Is this right?

Not quite -- that's the converse of what you want to show. Is this proof reversible?
 
Hurkyl said:
Not quite -- that's the converse of what you want to show. Is this proof reversible?

I think so. Surely a curve lies on S2 if and only if it satisfies the equation x^2+y^2+z^2=1. How would I show this?
 
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cristo said:
I think so. Surely a curve lies on S2 if and only if it satisfies the equation x^2+y^2+z^2=1. How would I show this?
I think you have misunderstood.

What you have shown is that if f(P, t) lies on the sphere, then P lies on the sphere.

But your goal was to prove that if P lies on the sphere, then f(P, t) lies on the sphere.
 
Hurkyl said:
I think you have misunderstood.

What you have shown is that if f(P, t) lies on the sphere, then P lies on the sphere.

But your goal was to prove that if P lies on the sphere, then f(P, t) lies on the sphere.


Ahh, ok I understand what you mean now. I think the proof probably is reversible, but have no clue as to how to show it! Can you give a hint? Sorry to be a pain!
 

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