Proving the Planarity of a Quadrilateral using Vector Algebra

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The discussion revolves around proving the planarity of a quadrilateral using vector algebra. Participants explore the relationships between vectors representing the vertices of a quadrilateral and the conditions for their coplanarity, focusing on mathematical proofs and vector identities.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a problem involving non-zero vectors $\vec{a}$, $\vec{b}$, $\vec{c}$, and $\vec{d}$, asserting that they are not coplanar and seeks to prove a specific vector equation.
  • Another participant suggests using Lagrange's formula to expand vector products, providing a hint to facilitate the proof of the first part of the problem.
  • A later reply confirms the application of Lagrange's formula and derives an equation that supports the first part of the proof, but expresses uncertainty about how to proceed with the second part.
  • One participant discusses the condition for a quadrilateral to be planar, suggesting that the intersection of diagonals can be expressed in terms of scalars and linear combinations of the vectors.
  • Another participant reflects on the relationship between the first and second parts of the problem, indicating a lack of clarity on how to connect the two.
  • Eventually, a participant outlines a method to prove the second part by establishing a condition for coplanarity using the vectors and their relationships, concluding that the second part can be proved based on their findings.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of confidence in their approaches, with some uncertainty about the connections between the first and second parts of the problem. While some progress is made in proving the first part, the second part remains less clear, indicating that multiple viewpoints and methods are being explored without a definitive consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on vector identities and properties of coplanarity, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the relationships between the vectors and the implications of their proofs.

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Problem:
Consider the non zero vectors $\vec{a}$, $\vec{b}$, $\vec{c}$ and $\vec{d}$ such that no three of which are coplanar then prove that $\vec{a}\left[\vec{b} \vec{c} \vec{d}\right]+\vec{c}\left[\vec{a} \vec{b} \vec{d}\right]=\vec{b}\left[\vec{a} \vec{c} \vec{d}\right]+\vec{d}\left[\vec{a} \vec{b} \vec{c}\right]$. Hence prove that if $\vec{a}$, $\vec{b}$, $\vec{c}$ and $\vec{d}$ represent the position vectors of the vertices of a plane quadrilateral then
$$\frac{\left[\vec{a} \vec{b} \vec{d}\right]+\left[\vec{b} \vec{c} \vec{d}\right]}{\left[\vec{a} \vec{b} \vec{c}\right]+\left[\vec{a} \vec{c} \vec{d}\right]}=1$$

Attempt:
I am stuck at the first part of the problem. Looking at the two sides, it seems to me that I somehow need to show $\vec{a}\left[\vec{b} \vec{c} \vec{d}\right]$ is same as $\vec{b}\left[\vec{a} \vec{c} \vec{d}\right]$. Since
$$\vec{a}\left[\vec{b} \vec{c} \vec{d}\right]=\vec{a}\left(\vec{b}\cdot \left(\vec{c}\times \vec{d}\right)\right)$$
and
$$\vec{b}\left[\vec{a} \vec{c} \vec{d}\right]=\vec{b} \left(\vec{a}\cdot \left(\vec{c}\times \vec{d}\right)\right)$$
It looks like I need to swap $\vec{a}$ and $\vec{b}$ but that is not a valid step. I don't know how to proceed with the problem. :(

Any help is appreciated. Thanks!
 
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Hint: Use Lagrange's formula to expand $(\vec a \times\vec b)\times (\vec c\times \vec d) = -(\vec c\times \vec d)\times (\vec a \times\vec b).$
 
Opalg said:
Hint: Use Lagrange's formula to expand $(\vec a \times\vec b)\times (\vec c\times \vec d) = -(\vec c\times \vec d)\times (\vec a \times\vec b).$

Hi Opalg! :)

Let $(\vec a \times\vec b)=\vec{u}$. Then from the Lagrange's formula, I have:
$$\vec{u}\times (\vec{c}\times \vec{d})=\vec{c}(\vec{u}\cdot \vec{d})-\vec{d}(\vec{u}\cdot \vec{c})=\vec{c}\left[\vec{a} \vec{b} \vec{d}\right]-\vec{d}\left[\vec{a} \vec{b} \vec{c}\right]$$
Similarly, I have:
$$(\vec c\times \vec d)\times (\vec a \times\vec b)=\vec{a}\left[\vec{b} \vec{c} \vec{d}\right]-\vec{b}\left[\vec{a} \vec{c} \vec{d}\right]$$
Since $(\vec a \times\vec b)\times (\vec c\times \vec d) = -(\vec c\times \vec d)\times (\vec a \times\vec b)$, I get:
$$\vec{c}\left[\vec{a} \vec{b} \vec{d}\right]-\vec{d}\left[\vec{a} \vec{b} \vec{c}\right]=-\vec{a}\left[\vec{b} \vec{c} \vec{d}\right]+\vec{b}\left[\vec{a} \vec{c} \vec{d}\right]$$
$$\Rightarrow \vec{a}\left[\vec{b} \vec{c} \vec{d}\right]+\vec{c}\left[\vec{a} \vec{b} \vec{d}\right]=\vec{b}\left[\vec{a} \vec{c} \vec{d}\right]+\vec{d}\left[\vec{a} \vec{b} \vec{c}\right]$$
which proves the first part.

How to proceed with the second one? :confused:
 
Pranav said:
How to proceed with the second one? :confused:
I was hoping you wouldn't ask that, because I am not sure of the answer. (Thinking)

The condition for a quadrilateral to be planar is that its diagonals should intersect. In terms of the given vectors, this means that there should exist scalars $\lambda,\mu$ such that $\lambda\vec a + (1-\lambda)\vec c = \mu\vec b + (1-\mu)\vec d$. The first part of the problem says that there is some linear combination of $\vec a$ and $\vec c$ that is equal to some linear combination of $\vec b$ and $\vec d$. There must be some way of relating those two pieces of information. (Wondering)
 
Opalg said:
I was hoping you wouldn't ask that, because I am not sure of the answer. (Thinking)

The condition for a quadrilateral to be planar is that its diagonals should intersect. In terms of the given vectors, this means that there should exist scalars $\lambda,\mu$ such that $\lambda\vec a + (1-\lambda)\vec c = \mu\vec b + (1-\mu)\vec d$. The first part of the problem says that there is some linear combination of $\vec a$ and $\vec c$ that is equal to some linear combination of $\vec b$ and $\vec d$. There must be some way of relating those two pieces of information. (Wondering)

Ah but many thanks for the help you provided so far. :)

I figured out the second part but I couldn't use any of the result from the first part. (Thinking)

Here is what I did:

Since the vectors form a plane quadrilateral, the vectors $\vec{b}-\vec{a}$, $\vec{c}-\vec{a}$ and $\vec{d}-\vec{a}$ must be coplanar, hence I have the condition:

$$\left[\vec{b}-\vec{a}\,\,\, \vec{c}-\vec{a}\,\,\, \vec{d}-\vec{a}\right]=0$$
$$\Rightarrow (\vec{b}-\vec{a})\cdot ((\vec{c}-\vec{a})\times (\vec{d}-\vec{a}))=0$$
$$\Rightarrow (\vec{b}-\vec{a})\cdot (\vec{c}\times \vec{d} +\vec{a}\times \vec{c}+\vec{d} \times \vec{a})=0$$
$$\Rightarrow \left[\vec{b} \vec{c} \vec{d}\right]+\left[\vec{b} \vec{a} \vec{c}\right]+\left[\vec{b} \vec{d} \vec{a}\right]-\left[\vec{a} \vec{c} \vec{d}\right]=0$$
I can write $\left[\vec{b} \vec{d} \vec{a}\right]$ as $\left[\vec{a} \vec{b} \vec{d}\right]$ and $\left[\vec{b} \vec{a} \vec{c}\right]$ as $-\left[\vec{a} \vec{b} \vec{c}\right]$. From here, second part can proved now.

Thanks again! :)
 

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