News Pseudoephedrine now a controlled substance in Oregon

[Ivan Seeking]

Writeyour congressmen! Write the governor! Quit being lazy :D

I have in the past and I will again. I have also volunteered for two presidential campaigns and collected thousands of signatures by going door to door. In addition to years working for the Dems as a kid, Tsu has spent many hours at Democratic headquarters making phone calls. What have you done?

 

[Pengwuino]

What have you done?

Hey i can still buy Nyquil, what do i have to complain about

My job in past elections was to let people vote and show them how easy filling in bubbles can be (elections inspector and grunt techincal positions)! Rather not waste my time on door-to-dooring party lines. At some point I am sure ill get words mixed up with all the repetativeness. "Hello, Did you know that Democrat Congressman Ten Commandments has been wanting to veto diane tax payer dollars to feinstein justice! Please petition this sign with a support to show pen!".

 

[Moonbear]

The UK has a process where it is just behind the counter and you must ask for it.

You will be quizzed by the pharmacist and he CAN refuse to sell it to you based on what your responses are.

That seems to be the ideal system. Here, many states are adopting the policy of having it behind the counter, but I don't think there's any way to refuse it other than if you ask for more than the limit you're allowed to buy. I don't know if that part is necessary, but I'm thinking of the converse that maybe you've exceeded your limit because you're doing the shopping for an entire household of sick people and the pharmacist knows this so can opt to override the rules and give you an extra package for that month, especially if you're standing there with a handful of tissues looking obviously sniffly-sneezy-coughy-achy-stuffy-head-fevery. I'm just imagining the trouble I'd have been in as a teenager when after my father's funeral, everyone came down with the same bug except me (someone must have shown up to the funeral sick and spread it to nearly everyone), so quite a few bottles of NyQuil were purchased in one visit to the drugstore...one for mom and my sister, another for my grandparents, two more for two of my aunts... sometimes weird things like that happen, and it would be nice if a pharmacist could inquire and decide you were making the purchase for legitimate reasons.

 

[The Smoking Man]

That seems to be the ideal system. Here, many states are adopting the policy of having it behind the counter, but I don't think there's any way to refuse it other than if you ask for more than the limit you're allowed to buy. I don't know if that part is necessary, but I'm thinking of the converse that maybe you've exceeded your limit because you're doing the shopping for an entire household of sick people and the pharmacist knows this so can opt to override the rules and give you an extra package for that month, especially if you're standing there with a handful of tissues looking obviously sniffly-sneezy-coughy-achy-stuffy-head-fevery. I'm just imagining the trouble I'd have been in as a teenager when after my father's funeral, everyone came down with the same bug except me (someone must have shown up to the funeral sick and spread it to nearly everyone), so quite a few bottles of NyQuil were purchased in one visit to the drugstore...one for mom and my sister, another for my grandparents, two more for two of my aunts... sometimes weird things like that happen, and it would be nice if a pharmacist could inquire and decide you were making the purchase for legitimate reasons.

It seems they like to err on the side of fascism.

A problem I have with this is that the peoeple most often hit by this will be the working poor.

Now they have to make a doctor's visit to get a prescription for a cold/allergy medicine?

Time off work and ... if they don't have a medical plan ... that bottle of medicine just went from a few bucks to the cost of a doctor's visit.

And ... what if you don't HAVE a family doctor? ... Hospital? Free clinics?

So now meth manufacturers have to prescription shop just like Limbaugh at all the free clinics?

Thank heavens I know Chinese cures and a bit about herbology.

Take a trip to Chinatown, those of you that can.

There is a medicine called Pei Pa Jiao in an Orange Box with a red lable. It's basis is Loquat syrop which is excellent for chest congestion plus it does not make you drowsey.

It does open up the chest if that is what your problem is.

Other than that, you may want to ask the locals in the China town medicine shops for what they recommend ... or even visit the chinese doctor. The remedy may taste like turps with a hint of vinegre but it WILL work.

 

[Moonbear]

It seems they like to err on the side of fascism.

A problem I have with this is that the peoeple most often hit by this will be the working poor.

Now they have to make a doctor's visit to get a prescription for a cold/allergy medicine?

Time off work and ... if they don't have a medical plan ... that bottle of medicine just went from a few bucks to the cost of a doctor's visit.

I don't think it's just going to be them with a problem (it's also not going to kill you to not have cold medicine for a cold...it does only alleviate symptoms, not cure the illness). I'm hardly working poor, but the reason I want cold medicine when I have a cold is that I don't have time to waste being slowed down with a cold, which means I don't have time to go see a doctor either. Also, if I have a cold, the last thing I want to do is sit in a waiting room full of flu patients and contract the flu from them. I go out of my way to avoid scheduling doctor's appointments during cold and flu season.

And ... what if you don't HAVE a family doctor? ... Hospital? Free clinics?

So now meth manufacturers have to prescription shop just like Limbaugh at all the free clinics?

I'm sure that's going to be the real outcome, they'll find ways around the system to get prescriptions illegally or will just steal them, etc.

Thank heavens I know Chinese cures and a bit about herbology.

No thanks, I'll stick to medicines that are tested for safety, efficacy, and have quality control regulations to comply with.

 

[Kerrie]

No thanks, I'll stick to medicines that are tested for safety, efficacy, and have quality control regulations to comply with.

but the ironic thing is, the psuedoephedrine makes an unsafe and illegal drug...

 

[edward]

Pseudoephredrine has been around for years, buying it in the generic form such as Wal-phed used to be very inexpensive. Since my state passed a law requiring that it be kept behind the counter the price has doubled?

There are dozens of brands of cold medicine on the shelves. Most of them are a mix of ingredients, including pseudoephedrine which is the decongestant. You can buy any medicine that says "decongestant" on the bottle, and get relief of cold symtoms.

Only pure unmixed pseudoephedrine Hydrochloride can be cooked into meth.
The Mexican Mafia has started large meth labs south of the border. The authorities don't bother them there and they have an endless supply of the base ingredient.

It will take international cooperation to deal with the meth problem, and I don't see that happening.

 

[Evo]

All I want is the triprolidene. I am a chronic allergy sufferer and it is the ONLY thing that gives me relief. Unfortunately, I can only get it over the counter mixed with pseudoephedrine.

This stuff is freeking amazing. I've gotten quite a few people hooked on it when I gave them some and within 30 minutes, what they thought was unbearable sinus congestion that could only be slightly relieved by any medicine went away like magic. I don't want pseudoephedrine.

edit: edward, good point, also, pseudoephedrine can be purchased on the internet and those purchases are not monitored.

 

[Moonbear]

but the ironic thing is, the psuedoephedrine makes an unsafe and illegal drug...

Yes, but the psuedoephedrine itself isn't an unsafe and illegal drug. A lot of other common household items are used in the manufacture of meth as well, but you don't see people flipping out about those.

 

[Pengwuino]

You people and your sicknesses :P

Last time i touched a medicine was... hmm... besides a headache every few months... it must have been 5 years at least since I've even touched medicine for anything.

 

[Evo]

You people and your sicknesses :P

Last time i touched a medicine was... hmm... besides a headache every few months... it must have been 5 years at least since I've even touched medicine for anything.

I still think of you as that awesome penguin tower <fans herself> Uhm..anyway Just wait, your body will start to fall apart.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

I saw last night that other states and the feds are looking to follow Oregon's lead.

btw, Penguino is now a colonel in the Norwegian Army, isn't he?

 

[Moonbear]

You people and your sicknesses :P

Last time i touched a medicine was... hmm... besides a headache every few months... it must have been 5 years at least since I've even touched medicine for anything.

Honestly, I would much prefer to stay home in bed and eat chicken soup all day when I have a cold rather than take medication, but I never seem to catch colds at convenient times when I can stay home and just be sick.

 

[Pengwuino]

btw, Penguino is now a colonel in the Norwegian Army, isn't he?

Sir yes Sir!

 

[The Smoking Man]

I don't think it's just going to be them with a problem (it's also not going to kill you to not have cold medicine for a cold...it does only alleviate symptoms, not cure the illness). I'm hardly working poor, but the reason I want cold medicine when I have a cold is that I don't have time to waste being slowed down with a cold, which means I don't have time to go see a doctor either. Also, if I have a cold, the last thing I want to do is sit in a waiting room full of flu patients and contract the flu from them. I go out of my way to avoid scheduling doctor's appointments during cold and flu season.


I'm sure that's going to be the real outcome, they'll find ways around the system to get prescriptions illegally or will just steal them, etc.


No thanks, I'll stick to medicines that are tested for safety, efficacy, and have quality control regulations to comply with.

Er? These medicines were created by the Yellow Emperor (Huang Di). I think you can safely say they have been tested.

The over the counter medicine I mentioned to you is produced in an ISO approved plant (Pei Pa Jiao).

You may want to review some Chinese medicines.

There were quite a few Soldiers in Vietnam who made it back when they were wounded due to herbs like Yunnan Pai Yao. Which the medics discovered while on leve in HK.

Like I said, most of these medicines are free of a lot of the side effects of 'chemical medicines' like sleepiness.

 

[Kerrie]

Er? These medicines were created by the Yellow Emperor (Huang Di). I think you can safely say they have been tested.

The over the counter medicine I mentioned to you is produced in an ISO approved plant (Pei Pa Jiao).

You may want to review some Chinese medicines.

There were quite a few Soldiers in Vietnam who made it back when they were wounded due to herbs like Yunnan Pai Yao. Which the medics discovered while on leve in HK.

Like I said, most of these medicines are free of a lot of the side effects of 'chemical medicines' like sleepiness.

i have read and heard too that a lot of eastern medicines treat the problem and prevent more illnesses, where western medicine tends to treat more symptoms...at least that is the general approach.

i never have liked taking cold/allergy meds either, i don't like the "buzz" effect i get. for allergies, i have been told to take raw bee pollen from the area you live in because it helps your body in mode to deal with allergies...sort of like how the flu shot works i guess. i have tried the bee pollen thing, and it does seem to help.

it's interesting how western society has made so many progresses in medicine, but then only to backfire on us and create a problem for everyone.