Q2:2 Where E Is Bounded By The Parabolic Cylinder

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the triple integral of the function \(x^2 e^y\) over a volume \(E\) defined by a parabolic cylinder and several planes. Participants explore the appropriate order of integration and the implications of the limits set by the geometry of the region.

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  • Participants discuss the integral \(I=\iiint\limits_{E} x^2 e^y dV\) and the boundaries defined by the parabolic cylinder \(z=1-y^2\) and the planes \(z=0\), \(x=1\), and \(x=-1\).
  • Some participants suggest different orders of integration and question which would be most effective for evaluating the integral.
  • There is a concern raised about the limits of integration for \(z\) being dependent on \(y\), indicating that the integral would yield a function of \(y\) rather than a numeric result.
  • One participant points out that the parabolic cylinder does not bound a finite region and questions whether the evaluation should be restricted to the first octant.
  • A later reply suggests an alternative order of integration and encourages the exploration of symmetries that could simplify the integral.
  • Another participant introduces a related follow-up question involving a formula for the difference of integrals \(I_n(1)-I_n(-1)\) and provides a verification step for a related integral involving \(e^x\).
  • Participants inquire about the graphing tools used to visualize the volume in question.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate order of integration and the implications of the limits. There is no consensus on the best approach to evaluating the integral, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the boundaries and their implications.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions about the bounded region, particularly concerning whether the evaluation should be confined to the first octant. The discussion also highlights the dependence of integration limits on the variables involved.

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Students and educators in mathematics, particularly those focusing on multivariable calculus and integration techniques, may find this discussion relevant.

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$\text{Evaluate } $
\begin{align*}
I&=\iiint\limits_{E} x^2 e^y dV
\end{align*}
$\text{where E is bounded by the parabolic cylinder} $
\begin{align*} z&=1 - y^2 \end{align*}
$\text{and the planes
$z=0, x=1,$ and $x=-1$}\\$
 
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Let's first look at the volume in question:

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What order of integration makes sense to you?
 

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MarkFL said:
Let's first look at the volume in question:
What order of integration makes sense to you?

Sorta maybe??$\displaystyle\int_{0}^{1 - y^2

}\int_{-1}^{1}\int_{x_l}^{x_u} x^2 e^y \,dx \,dy \,dz$
 
karush said:
Sorta maybe??$\displaystyle\int_{0}^{1 - y^2

}\int_{-1}^{1}\int_{x_l}^{x_u} x^2 e^y \,dx \,dy \,dz$

What happens when you try iterating in that order, and I assume you mean:

$$I=\int_0^{1-y^2}\int_{-1}^1\int_{-1}^1 x^2e^y\,dx\,dy\,dz$$
 
karush said:
Sorta maybe??$\displaystyle\int_{0}^{1 - y^2

}\int_{-1}^{1}\int_{x_l}^{x_u} x^2 e^y \,dx \,dy \,dz$
Your "inside integral", with respect to z, has limits that are functions of y. So the integral will be a function of y not a number.

Also "the parabolic cylinder z= 1- y^2" does not bound a finite region. Did you mean "in the first octant"?
 
HallsofIvy said:
Your "inside integral", with respect to z, has limits that are functions of y. So the integral will be a function of y not a number.

Also "the parabolic cylinder z= 1- y^2" does not bound a finite region. Did you mean "in the first octant"?

how can the "inside integral" be in respect to z?
 
karush said:
how can the "inside integral" be in respect to z?
Yes, that should have been "outside". Thanks for pointing that out.
 
MarkFL said:
What happens when you try iterating in that order, and I assume you mean:

$$I=\int_0^{1-y^2}\int_{-1}^1\int_{-1}^1 x^2e^y\,dx\,dy\,dz$$

I was hoping you would discover on your own that with the integral written this way you would obtain a function of $y$, rather than a numeric result. Anyway, I would recommend:

$$I=\int_{-1}^1\int_{-1}^1\int_{0}^{1-y^2}x^2e^y\,dz\,dx\,dy$$

It really makes little difference as long as $z$ is not the outermost variable. Can you see any symmetries you can use to simplify the integral? This question is directed to the OP only...;)
 
This is a follow-up question related to this problem...

If done correctly, you are going to find a formula for the following useful:

$$I_n(1)-I_n(-1)=\int_{-1}^{1} x^ne^x\,dx$$ where $n\in\mathbb{N_0}$

To begin, see if you can verify:

$$I_n(x)=\int x^ne^x\,dx=n!e^x\sum_{k=0}^n\left(\frac{(-1)^k}{(n-k)!}x^{n-k}\right)$$

Hence:

$$I_n(1)-I_n(-1)=\int_{-1}^{1} x^ne^x\,dx=\frac{n!}{e}\sum_{k=0}^n\left(\frac{(-1)^ke^2+(-1)^{n+1}}{(n-k)!}\right)$$
 
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MarkFL said:
Let's first look at the volume in question:
What order of integration makes sense to you?

What graphing program did you use?
 
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