QFT, excitation of quantum field, physical or mathematical?

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The discussion centers on the nature of quantum fields in quantum field theory (QFT) and whether the excitations of these fields, which are identified as elementary particles, are physically real or merely mathematical constructs. The conversation explores theoretical implications, physical interpretations, and the mathematical foundations of QFT.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that quantum fields are fundamentally mathematical constructs, while questioning the physical reality of their excitations.
  • Others argue that quantum fields possess measurable properties (mass density, charge density) that affirm their physical existence, suggesting that fields are more physical than mathematical.
  • A participant highlights that interacting quantum fields in four dimensions lack a mathematically well-defined framework, yet are commonly utilized in physics.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the mathematical consistency of quantum electrodynamics (QED) and other theories like quantum chromodynamics (QCD) and the standard model, which are not fully established mathematically.
  • In contrast, quantum fields in solid state theory are noted to have a solid mathematical existence, effectively describing physical phenomena such as crystal deformation and electrical currents.
  • Participants discuss the qualifications of contributors, with one asserting that knowledge of quantum mechanics can be acquired through self-study and discussion, regardless of formal credentials in physics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of quantum fields and their excitations, with no consensus reached on whether these concepts are fundamentally physical or mathematical. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the mathematical foundations of QFT and the implications for physical reality.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of a universally accepted definition of quantum fields that satisfies both physical and mathematical criteria, as well as the ongoing debate about the implications of these definitions for established theories like QED and QCD.

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In, QFT, an elementary particles is an excitation of its quantum field. Quantum fields are just mathematical. For example an electron is excitation of the electron field. But is the excitation of the field physically real or just mathematical? What i mean is, is there something physically existing where the excitation is?
 
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Properties of the quantum fields (its mass density, charge density, response to external fields, etc.) can be measured and predicted in the same way as all quantum observables. There is therefore nothing unreal about a quantum field. They are at least as real as their excitations, the elementary particles.

In fact, quantum fields are far more physical than mathematical. In particular, interacting quantum fields in 4 dimensions do not yet make mathematical sense, while physicists use them all the time.

The field is what really exists, i.e., the medium, and the excitations are its oscillations. Just like water waves are excitations (local, extended oscillations) of water, which is the medium carrying the waves. The main difference is that water waves are not quantized, so that there are no 'elementary' excitations.
 
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A. Neumaier said:
In particular, interacting quantum fields in 4 dimensions do not yet make mathematical sense, while physicists use them all the time.
Do you have an example at hand?
 
The most accurate physical theory currently known, namely QED, is not known to exist as a mathematically well-defined conceptual framework. The reason is that there is so far no logically consistent definition of a quantum field for which the physicist's (renormalized) QED interaction has been proved to exist. QCD, weak interactions, or the standard model are other examples.

On the other hand, the quantum fields considered in solid state theory, have a solid mathematical existence. They describe the deformation of crystals, currents in metals, and the like.
 
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A. Neumaier said:
The most accurate physical theory currently known, namely QED, is not known to exist as a mathematically well-defined conceptual framework. The reason is that there is so far no logically consistent definition of a quantum field for which the physicist's (renormalized) QED interaction has been proved to exist. QCD, weak interactions, or the standard model are other examples.

On the other hands, the quantum fields considered in solid state theory, have a solid mathematical existence. They describe the deformation of crystals, currents in metals, and the like.
What college do you teach physics at? I am just curious that's all
 
I teach mathematics. Type my name into Google to find out.
 
A. Neumaier said:
I teach mathematics. Type my name into Google to find out.
Then how do you know stuff about QM? Did you get your PhD in physics?
 
Through reading, thinking, and discussing it. QM is no different form other subjects - they can be learned given interest, dedication, and not too little intelligence.

See Chapter C4: How to learn theoretical physics of my theoretical Physics FAQ.
 
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A. Neumaier said:
The most accurate physical theory currently known, namely QED, is not known to exist as a mathematically well-defined conceptual framework. The reason is that there is so far no logically consistent definition of a quantum field for which the physicist's (renormalized) QED interaction has been proved to exist. QCD, weak interactions, or the standard model are other examples.

On the other hands, the quantum fields considered in solid state theory, have a solid mathematical existence. They describe the deformation of crystals, currents in metals, and the like.
Thank you.
 

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