QFT Superposition of Final States

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The discussion centers around the computation of scattering amplitudes and correlation functions in quantum field theory (QFT) when multiple final states are possible, particularly in the context of electron-positron interactions. It explores the implications of superposition of final states and the concept of superselection sectors.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the calculation of scattering amplitudes as the overlap between initial and final states, suggesting that in cases of multiple final states, the amplitudes can be added together.
  • Another participant argues that different outcomes may reside in separate superselection sectors, implying that superpositions of these states are not possible due to the presence of soft photons.
  • A follow-up question seeks clarification on how the initial quantum state evolves if it is not in a superposition and requests further explanation on the impossibility of superpositions.
  • A reference to an external source on infraparticles is provided, possibly to support the discussion on superselection sectors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the possibility of superpositions in QFT, with some asserting that they are not feasible due to superselection rules, while others propose methods for calculating scattering amplitudes in the presence of multiple final states. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these differing perspectives.

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The discussion touches on complex concepts such as superselection sectors and the role of soft photons, which may require further elaboration and clarification. The assumptions regarding the nature of final states and their interactions are not fully explored.

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In QFT one computes Scattering Amplitudes between Initial and Final States however sometimes the system doesn’t evolve into a single final state but a superposition how does one compute the S Matrix or Green Functions for this case.
In QFT one important calculation is the Scattering amplitude the overlap between an initial state and a final state due to an interaction. For example the S Matrix element for electron electron scattering is the overlap between an initial 2 electron state in the far past and a 2 electron state in the far future.

However the system may not evolve into a single final state rather a superposition. For example during Compton Scattering a recoiling electron may also emit photons due to Bremsstrahlung or during an electron positron interaction the final state could either be a photon or an electron and a positron either Bhabha Scattering or Pair Annihilation can happen. How would one compute scattering amplitudes and Correlation Functions in this case when there is more than a single final state.

Presumably one would simply add up the amplitudes for electron positron interaction as

S_fi=S1+S2

And Green Functions as the sum of the 2 possibilities
G=G4(x1,x2,x3,x4)+G3(x5,x3,x4)
=<Ω|Tψ(x1)ψ(x2)ψ^+(x3)ψ^+(x4)|Ω>+<Ω|TA_μ(x5)ψ^+(x3)ψ^+(x4)|Ω>

Where x3 and x4 are the initial spacetime positions of the electron and positron x1 and x2 final spacetime positions and x5 the Photon’s spacetime position.

Presumably it would follow the S Matrix is simply a sum of the 2.

Disclaimer the electron positron scattering was an example there might be more than 2 possible final states this was simply an example
 
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As far as I understand it, almost all different outcomes are in separate superselection sectors (differing by an infinite number of soft photons) so that no superpositions are possible.
 
DrDu said:
As far as I understand it, almost all different outcomes are in separate superselection sectors (differing by an infinite number of soft photons) so that no superpositions are possible.
But when you have an electron and positron collide they can either annihilate or scatter which one happens then. How would this initial quantum state evolve if its not in a superposition and could you elaborate a bit more on why superpositions are not possible.
 

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