Quantized Charge Problem, Why is this right?

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The discussion centers on calculating the positive charge in 250 cm³ of neutral water using the formula q = n_{e}e, where e is the elementary charge (1.60217646 x 10-19 coulombs). The correct approach involves determining the number of protons in water by using the molar mass of H2O and the density of water. The incorrect equation q = (Vwρw/mp)qp is dismissed because it inaccurately assumes that the mass of water consists solely of protons, neglecting the contribution of neutrons and electrons.

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Homework Statement



26. Calculate the number of coulombs of positive charge in 250 cm^3 of (neutral) water. (Hint: A hydrogen atom contains one proton; an oxygen atom contains eight protons.)

Homework Equations



<br /> q = n_{e}e, n_{e} = \pm1, \pm 2, \pm 3,...,<br />

e \equiv elementary charge

<br /> e = 1.60217646{\textcolor[rgb]{1.00,1.00,1.00}{.}}x{\textcolor[rgb]{1.00,1.00,1.00}{.}}10^{-19}<br />

The Attempt at a Solution



<br /> q = n_{e}e, n_{e} = \pm1, \pm 2, \pm 3,...,<br />

n_{p} \equiv number of protons
q_{p} \equiv charge on a single proton

<br /> q_{p} = +e<br />

<br /> q = \left(n_{p}\right)\left(q_{p}\right)<br />

Z \equiv Atomic Number (Number of Protons)
m \equiv mass
M \equiv Molar Mass ([kg]/[mols])

<br /> \rho_{w} = \frac{m_{w}}{V_{w}}<br />

<br /> n_{p} = \frac{m_{w}}{m_{H_{2}O}} \cdot \frac{Z_{H_{2}O }}{1}<br />

<br /> n_{p} = \frac{m_{w}}{\left(2m_{H}+1m_{O}\right)}} \cdot \frac{\left(2Z_{H}+1Z_{O}\right)}{1}<br />

<br /> q = \left(\frac{\left(V_{w}\rho_{w}\right)}{2m_{H}+1m_{O}} \cdot \frac{2Z_{H}+1Z_{O}}{1}\right)q_{p}<br />

<br /> q = \left(\frac{V_{w}\rho_{w}}{2\left(\frac{M_{H}}{N_{A}}\right)+1\left(\frac{M_{O}}{N_{A}}\right)} \cdot \frac{2Z_{H}+1Z_{O}}{1}\right)q_{p}<br />

<br /> q = \left(\frac{N_{A}V_{w}\rho_{w}}{2M_{H}+1M_{O}} \cdot \frac{2Z_{H}+1Z_{O}}{1}\right)q_{p}<br />

The above equation yields the correct solution, however my question is why is this right as opposed to the following?

<br /> q = \left(\frac{m_{w}}{m_{p}}\right)q_{p}<br />

<br /> q = \left(\frac{V_{w}\rho_{w}}{m_{p}}\right)q_{p}<br />

Why is the previous equation wrong?

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks,

-PFStudent
 
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The last equation assumes that the mass of the water is made entirely from protons which of course is not true.
 

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