Quantum Computing: Isolating Atoms & Effects of EM Waves

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the requirements for quantum computing (QC), particularly the isolation of atoms and the effects of electromagnetic (EM) waves on quantum states. Participants explore the implications of decoherence, environmental interactions, and the feasibility of maintaining isolated systems in quantum computing applications.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that QC requires atoms to be isolated due to the potential for disturbances to change their states and cause data loss.
  • Others contend that QC does not necessitate complete isolation, suggesting that a system can be fairly isolated from its surroundings while still functioning.
  • There is a discussion about the importance of decoherence times, with some noting that typical values for prospective systems are in the nanosecond range, while others mention that certain systems can achieve much longer decoherence times.
  • Participants highlight that decoherence can be mitigated through error correction, although this may require additional qubits.
  • Some express uncertainty about the practicalities of quantum computing, questioning whether it has moved beyond hypothetical concepts to viable methodologies.
  • There are inquiries about the effects of spontaneous atomic decay on data retention and whether techniques exist to manage this issue.
  • One participant references the repeat-until-success methodology of cluster states as a potential approach in quantum computing.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the necessity of isolation for quantum computing, with some asserting it is essential while others believe it is not. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing views on the implications of decoherence and the practicalities of quantum computing.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various factors influencing decoherence times, including environmental interactions and the nature of the quantum systems used. There are references to specific methodologies and theoretical frameworks without consensus on their effectiveness or applicability.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying quantum computing, particularly in understanding the challenges of decoherence and the requirements for isolating quantum systems.

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QC requires atoms to be isolated? because the slightest disturbance can cause its state to be changed and data loss. Are the spin/ angular momentum etc. of a particle affected by em waves?
if there's quantum fluctuations in space, so u have virtual particles/energy swapping, and its impossible to reduce this to 0, doesn't that mean you can never get an isolated atom?
 
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alias25 said:
QC requires atoms to be isolated?
No, it does not.
 
I thought that any environmental interaction can cause the particles to decohere so QC doesn't work unless theyre isolated.
 
Did you mean that you need a system that's fairly isolated from surroundings or that you needed individual atoms? I thought you meant the latter.

The question of importance is "how long can we make the decoherence times?" I think typical values for some of the prospective systems are in the nanosecond range (or smaller, I'm not sure).
 
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Gokul43201 said:
Did you mean that you need a system that's fairly isolated from surroundings or that you needed individual atoms? I thought you meant the latter.

The question of importance is "how long can we make the decoherence times?" I think typical values for some of the prospective systems are in the nanosecond range (or smaller, I'm not sure).

There's actually a huge range of deoherence times, >15 orders of magnitude. I googled up this table:
http://beige.ucs.indiana.edu/B679/node117.html

Ions in electromagnetic traps have macroscopic decoherence times, they're very well isolated. Nuclear dipoles interact so weakly that NMR qubits are coherent for on the order of ~10^4 seconds (essentially forever).
 
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Gokul43201 said:
The question of importance is "how long can we make the decoherence times?"

Just to add my two cents to this point..it is more about how many gate operations can be performed before the systems irrevocably decoheres.

The distinction being that (relatively) long decoherence times do not help if it also takes a (relatively) long time to perform an operation.
 
alias25 said:
QC requires atoms to be isolated? because the slightest disturbance can cause its state to be changed and data loss. Are the spin/ angular momentum etc. of a particle affected by em waves?
if there's quantum fluctuations in space, so u have virtual particles/energy swapping, and its impossible to reduce this to 0, doesn't that mean you can never get an isolated atom?

QC requires a well-isolated system, i.e. little coupling with the environment. But experimentally, that isolation is not perfect of course. However, decoherence can be "overcome" by error correction at the tradeoff of more qubits.

In NMR, the spin is controlled via emf tuned at the proper resonant frequencies, etc.. You should look up the Bloch sphere for information on this.

In QC processing, one has to control the qubit (ions, atoms, molecule ensemble, superconducting circuits, etc) and take measurements to get an answer. This inherently rules out a perfectly isolated qubit.
 
steve_o said:
QC requires a well-isolated system, i.e. little coupling with the environment. But experimentally, that isolation is not perfect of course. However, decoherence can be "overcome" by error correction at the tradeoff of more qubits.

In NMR, the spin is controlled via emf tuned at the proper resonant frequencies, etc.. You should look up the Bloch sphere for information on this.

In QC processing, one has to control the qubit (ions, atoms, molecule ensemble, superconducting circuits, etc) and take measurements to get an answer. This inherently rules out a perfectly isolated qubit.

Are their any means of performing checks to assure that decoherence is accounted for: an analogy would be, parity checks in a simple computer system, that allow for manipulation of erata in data sets.

You'll have to excuse my ignorance about Qcomputing on this one; in a broader sense I'm asking if we have yet found a way to make quantum computing a good prospect, or is it still in the realms of the hypothetical?
 
Schrödinger's Dog said:
Are their any means of performing checks to assure that decoherence is accounted for: an analogy would be, parity checks in a simple computer system, that allow for manipulation of erata in data sets.

You'll have to excuse my ignorance about Qcomputing on this one; in a broader sense I'm asking if we have yet found a way to make quantum computing a good prospect, or is it still in the realms of the hypothetical?

there is the repeat-until-success methodology of cluster states:

http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/quant-ph/0508218
 
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wait, don't atoms spontaneously decay? Wouldn't that be unproductive to data keeping? Or is there a method/technique? Or am I misunderstanding atoma?
 
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