Quantum cryptography and uncertainty relations

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between quantum cryptography and the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, specifically focusing on the properties of photon polarization that exhibit uncertainty relations. Participants explore the details of how polarization is utilized in quantum cryptography and the underlying quantum mechanics concepts.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about which specific properties of photons relate to the uncertainty principle in the context of polarization.
  • Another participant suggests that polarization is commonly used due to its ease of measurement and preservation in optical fibers.
  • It is mentioned that horizontal/vertical (H/V) and diagonal/anti-diagonal polarizations, as well as right-hand and left-hand circular polarizations, can be used, highlighting the concept of "mutually unbiased bases."
  • A participant seeks clarification on which variables do not commute in relation to polarization and the uncertainty principle.
  • One participant explains that polarization can be represented as a 2-dimensional complex unit vector and that the operators for different polarization measurements correspond to matrices similar to the Pauli matrices, which do not commute, leading to an uncertainty relation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants appear to share an understanding of the general application of polarization in quantum cryptography, but there is no consensus on the specific details of the uncertainty relations associated with different polarization schemes.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the specific variables that exhibit non-commutativity in the context of polarization and the uncertainty principle, as well as the implications of using different bases for measurement.

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Almost all the explanations of quantum cryptography I've come across simply say that the encryption is "protected by the Heisenberg uncertainty principle". I'm having a little difficulty getting any more detail than that without getting way out of my depth (I'm only an A-level student!). Does anyone know precisely which two properties of photons have the uncertainty relation for polarisation? I'm not sure if it's the horizontal/vertical components of polarization, the rectilinear/diagonal schemes of polarization, or something else entirely like spin...

(Apologies if this thread is in the wrong forum. It's for a research project I'm doing for coursework, but I thought the thread would fit better here than in the homework forum.)
 
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Generally you use polarisation, it's easy to measure and is preserved by optical fibres.
The wiki article is a reasonably simple explanation.
 
Yes, you can use horizontal/vertical (H/V) vs diagonal/anti-diagonal polarizations (H\pm V), or H/V vs right-hand and left-hand circular polarization. You use what are called "mutually unbiased bases" for photon polarization.
 
Thank you for your replies, but perhaps I was a little unclear before - I think I have a reasonable grasp of the method of encryption etc. I'm not so sure about what it is specifically about polarisation that had the uncertainty relation attached to it. Which two variables do not commute? Is it something like the vertical/horizontal components of polarisation, or the different polarisation schemes (the "mutually unbiased bases"), or something else entirely about polarisation?
 
If you represent polarization as a 2-d complex unit vector, (a,b) w.r.t one particular basis, say the horizontal/vertical polarization basis, then the operators corresponding to measuring H/V, diagonal/anti-diagonal, and circular polarizations are represented by 3 matrices that have the same form as the Pauli matrices, sigma_z, sigma_x, sigma_y, respectively. And those don't commute, and hence lead to an uncertainty relation.
 
borgwal said:
If you represent polarization as a 2-d complex unit vector, (a,b) w.r.t one particular basis, say the horizontal/vertical polarization basis, then the operators corresponding to measuring H/V, diagonal/anti-diagonal, and circular polarizations are represented by 3 matrices that have the same form as the Pauli matrices, sigma_z, sigma_x, sigma_y, respectively. And those don't commute, and hence lead to an uncertainty relation.

Excellent, that's exactly what I was looking for. Thank you! :biggrin:
 

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