Quantum entanglement in communications possible?

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The discussion centers on the feasibility of using quantum entanglement for communication purposes, specifically whether it is possible to move an entangled particle without disrupting its wave function to create a communication signal. The scope includes theoretical implications and conceptual clarifications related to quantum mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that entangled particles exhibit instantaneous effects on each other, suggesting a form of 'communication'.
  • Others argue that it is impossible to send information faster than light (FTL) using entangled particles, as any interaction tends to break the entanglement.
  • A participant questions why interaction with an entangled particle leads to the breaking of entanglement.
  • Another participant explains that a measurement of one particle in an entangled state projects it into a pure state, thus breaking the entanglement.
  • There is a request for clarification on the concept of a mixed state and its relation to particle-wave-function properties.
  • A detailed explanation of mixed and pure states is provided, including mathematical representations and implications for entangled systems.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the potential for using entangled particles for communication, with some asserting that it is impossible while others suggest there may be aspects of communication inherent in entanglement. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of measurement on entanglement.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on definitions of mixed and pure states, as well as the unresolved nature of how interactions affect entanglement and the implications for communication.

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Is it possible to move an entangled particle, without disrupting the wave function, to create a communication signal?
 
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Moviemann345 said:
Is it possible to move an entangled particle, without disrupting the wave function, to create a communication signal?

well surely if a particle is entangled it's already displaying signs of 'communication' since what happens to one paticle will instantaniously affect the other?
 
There is no way to send information FTL if that's what you're wondering. Any interaction with a particle in an entangled states tends to break the entanglement, but even then there is no possible way for the two particles to exchange information, so you can't use them for communication. You can however do some very cool things like secure signaling, teleportation, dense coding and stuff, but nothing that violates relativity in any way.
 
Tomsk said:
There is no way to send information FTL if that's what you're wondering. Any interaction with a particle in an entangled states tends to break the entanglement, but even then there is no possible way for the two particles to exchange information, so you can't use them for communication. You can however do some very cool things like secure signaling, teleportation, dense coding and stuff, but nothing that violates relativity in any way.

Hold on a sec, why is interaction with a particle that is entangled, breaks the entanglement?
 
When you just look at one particle in an entangled pair (Bell state), it appears to be in something called a maximally mixed state, which means it has a 50/50 chance of being found spin up or down along ANY axis. But a measurement projects it into a pure state, and in a pure state you can always find an axis along which the probabilities are 1 and 0 or 0 and 1 for spin up/down. So after a measurement, the particle can no longer be in a mixed state, so the entanglement is broken.
 
Can you simplify by what you mean a mixed state? Are you referring to particle-wave-function property or something else?
 
A mixed state is used to describe a system whose state is not completely determined. A mixed state is described by a positive semidefinite self-adjoint operator \hat{R} with \text{Tr} \hat{R}=1, the Statistical operator of the system.

A pure state is a particular case of this more general situation. \hat{R} describes a pure state if it is a projection operator with \hat{R}^2=\hat{R}. Then there exists a normalized state ket |\psi \rangle such that \hat{R}=|\psi \rangle \langle \psi |.

Now take a two-spin system in the entangled pure state

|\Psi \rangle=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} [|\mathrm{up},\mathrm{down} \rangle - \mathrm{down},\mathrm{up} \rangle].

Then the spin of particle 1 is described by the reduced Statistical operator

\hat{R}=\text{Tr}_2 |\Psi \rangle \langle \Psi |=\frac{1}{2} \hat{1}

which is the state of maximal ignorance with respect to the von Neumann entropy as the information measure.
 
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