Quantum mechanics for the nucleus?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the application of quantum mechanics to the modeling of atomic nuclei, particularly focusing on the challenges and methodologies for describing protons and other nucleons. Participants explore the limitations of traditional quantum mechanical models and the need for more advanced theories.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes a lack of quantum mechanical models analogous to the particle in a box or harmonic oscillator for protons and gluons, suggesting that most discussions focus on electrons.
  • Another participant explains that while the Schrödinger equation can be applied, the nuclear potential is complex and does not yield analytic solutions for eigenstates.
  • A different participant suggests that for protons, the Dirac equation might be more appropriate due to their spin-1/2 nature, but notes that it may not provide useful results for structureless particles like electrons.
  • One participant asserts that any book on nuclear physics would address the application of the Schrödinger equation to protons in detail, implying that resources are available for further exploration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of the Schrödinger equation to protons, with some suggesting alternative approaches like the Dirac equation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best methods for modeling nucleons within quantum mechanics.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in current models and the complexity of nuclear potentials, as well as the potential need for quantum field theory to adequately describe interactions within protons.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to students and researchers in quantum mechanics, nuclear physics, and those exploring advanced theoretical frameworks for modeling subatomic particles.

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How come I never see any equivelant of the particle in the box or harmonic oscillator counterparts for modeling of the atomic nucleus? I'm still a bit new to QM, but the only thing I ever see are QM descriptions of electrons, electron orbitals, electron spins, electron quantum entanglement, electron double slit, etc. Nothing ever for protons, gluons, etc., except for the nuclear shell model maybe, but nothing in-depth even on that. Can you even apply the Shrodinger equation to a proton? I've never seen it. Any references would be great.
 
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You can do this, but the nuclear potential is not as easy as the coulomb potential, and you do not get analytic solutions for the eigenstates.
It is even worse if you look inside the proton, with the strong interaction and its self-interaction you need quantum field theory for an appropriate description.
 
Can you even apply the Shrodinger equation to a proton?
it will be better to use dirac eqn since proton is spin 1/2 but it only applies to structurelss particle like electron so it will not give useful results.
 
Can you even apply the Shrodinger equation to a proton? I've never seen it. Any references would be great.
Believe me, any book on nuclear physics will provide an answer to your question, in great detail.
 

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