Quantum mechanics momentum operator

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the momentum operator in quantum mechanics, specifically addressing a point made by Griffiths regarding the assumption that the spatial coordinate \( x \) does not depend on time during the derivation. Participants explore the implications of this assumption and its justification within the context of quantum mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions Griffiths' assumption that \( \frac{\partial}{\partial t} x = 0 \) in the derivation of the momentum operator, seeking justification for this claim.
  • Another participant asserts that \( x \) is merely a coordinate and does not depend on time, suggesting that the assumption is reasonable.
  • A participant reflects on their initial misunderstanding, conflating the wave nature of quantum mechanics with the particle's position over time.
  • Further discussion reveals that for an N-particle system, the wave function is indeed 3N-dimensional, with each particle contributing three spatial dimensions, while time is not treated as a separate degree of freedom in non-relativistic quantum mechanics.
  • It is noted that in Griffiths' text, the coordinate \( x \) is treated as an operator and is therefore time-independent, contrasting with other texts that may denote position as a function of time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the treatment of the spatial coordinate \( x \) in quantum mechanics, with some agreeing that it is appropriate to consider it time-independent, while others highlight the potential for confusion when transitioning to many-particle systems. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the broader implications of this assumption.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the treatment of time and spatial coordinates can vary between different quantum mechanics texts, which may lead to misunderstandings. The discussion highlights the importance of clarity in definitions and assumptions when dealing with wave functions in quantum mechanics.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students and educators in quantum mechanics, particularly those exploring the foundations of the momentum operator and the implications of coordinate treatment in many-particle systems.

mohammed.omar
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Hi All,

I've seen many derivations for the momentum operator, but I've a rather naive problem that I cannot figure out in the derivation done by Griffiths in "Introduction to Quantum Mechanics" book. In chapter 1, when he derives the momentum operator he states:

[tex]\frac{d <x> }{dt} = \frac{d}{dt}\int x |\psi (x,t)|^2 dx = <br /> \int x \frac{\partial}{\partial t} |\psi (x,t)|^2 dx[/tex]

i.e. He assumed [tex]\frac{\partial}{\partial t} x = 0[/tex]

Why did he do that? Is there any justification for it?
 
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X is just a coordinate. Why would it depend on t?
 
Thanks alxm.

I got it, but I mixed up the wave nature with the particle nature. I thought x would represent the position of the particle with time. This is very embarrassing.

Thanks a lot alxm.
 
No need for embarrassment. If you figured that out now, you're earlier than a lot of students I've seen who don't think about it enough, and then suddenly get surprised when they move to many-particle systems and can't figure out why the wave function is suddenly 3N-dimensional.
 
Thanks alxm.

This is rather interesting. For an N-particle system, there will be 3N dimensional wave function other than time? 3 generalized for each particle?
 
mohammed.omar said:
Thanks alxm.

This is rather interesting. For an N-particle system, there will be 3N dimensional wave function other than time? 3 generalized for each particle?

Yes, exactly. In non-relativistic quantum mechanics time is not considered a separate degree of freedom; only the spatial coordinates are.

PS In Griffiths the coordinate x is always an operator, and therefore time independent. But plenty of other books use x(t) (or sometimes q(t)) to denote the position of the particle, so it's good to be weary of that!
 
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Thanks a lot xepma. Your reply was very useful.
 

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