[quantum mechanics] Perturbation theory in a degenerate case

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The discussion revolves around understanding perturbation theory in quantum mechanics, specifically in the context of degenerate states. The original poster seeks clarity on how to find the first-order energy shifts and eigenstates when dealing with degeneracies, expressing confusion over differing notations in various resources.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the need to identify a new set of states where the perturbation term is diagonal. There are inquiries about translating notations from different sources and the implications of finding eigenstates related to the perturbation matrix.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different aspects of the problem. Some guidance has been provided regarding the formula for first-order corrections, but there remains uncertainty about the identification of eigenstates and the translation of notations.

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There is mention of confusion arising from varying notations in different textbooks, which may hinder understanding. The original poster expresses a sense of being overwhelmed and seeks clarification on specific terms and concepts related to perturbation theory.

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I'm trying to understand how we can find - at the first order - the energy-shift and the eigenstates in a degenerate case.

My notes aren't clear, so I have searched in the Sakurai, but the notation is different, I have read other notes but their notation is different again... Please, tell me the formulas, at the moment I don't have to know the proof. Many thanks
 
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In degenerate case, you have to find the set of new states in which the perturbation term is diagonal. Having found the right set of states, the first order correction to the energy formula is the same as the non-degenerate case.
bznm said:
I have read other notes but their notation is different again
What are you going to do if you cannot find book which uses the same notation as the ones in your notes? You just have to put up with their own notation if you want to be able to understand things.
 
blue_leaf77 said:
What are you going to do if you cannot find book which uses the same notation as the ones in your notes? You just have to put up with their own notation if you want to be able to understand things.

Sure, you're right. But in this moment, I have the brain "full" and I'm not able to find the correct result.. If you could help me giving the formula and the explanation about its notation, I think that I could understood more rapidly how to "translate" my notation with the book notation... If you can help me, I'll be grateful. In this moment I'm very confused.
 
The formula for the first order correction is the same as that in the non-degenerate case, namely ##E_m' = \langle \phi_m | H' | \phi_m \rangle##, where ##\phi_m## is one of the states in the new set in which ##H'## is diagonal. ##H'## is the perturbation term.
 
I have understood that I have to identify the imperturbed kets that are degenerate and find the matrix V, where V_mm'=<m|V|m'> and |m>, |m'> are eigenstates that have the same eigenvalue.

Then I have to diagonalize V and the eigenvalues are the energy-shifts at the first order. But I haven't understood what does it means "and find the related eigenstates". Do I have to find the eigenvectors related to the eigenvalues of V? But aren't they the correct zero-th order kets that the perturbed kets approaches when the perturbation approaches to zero? How I can find the first-order eingenvectors?
 

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