Quantum Mechanics - Spherical Harmonics

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The discussion revolves around the angular part of a wavefunction in quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on the measurement of angular momentum operators L^2 and L_z, along with their probabilities and expectation values.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between the wavefunction and spherical harmonics, questioning the identification of quantum numbers and the calculation of probabilities associated with eigenvalues.

Discussion Status

Participants have provided various insights into the eigenvalues of L^2 and L_z, with some expressing uncertainty about the probabilities and normalization of coefficients. There is an ongoing exploration of how to properly normalize the wavefunction and calculate the probabilities of different outcomes.

Contextual Notes

Some participants question the normalization of coefficients derived from the wavefunction, noting that the sum of their squares does not equal one, which leads to discussions about the necessity of including the spherical harmonics in the probability calculations.

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Homework Statement



The angular part of a system’s wavefunction is

<\theta, \phi | \psi>\propto (\sqrt{2}\cos\theta + \sin{\theta}e^{−i\psi} - \sin{\theta}e^{i\psi} ).

What are the possible results of measurement of (a) L^2 , and (b) L_z , and their probabilities? What is the expectation value of L_z?


Homework Equations



L^2|E> = l(l+1)|E>

The Attempt at a Solution



I can see that the wavefunction takes the form of the spherical harmonics for l = 1, and from that I think I can say that L^2 = 2. However, I'm unsure whether this is correct, or how to find the probabilities.

I haven't had much luck at all with L_z.
 
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eigenvalues of L^2 are l(l+1) \hbar^2
and eigenvalues of L_z are m \hbar where m ranges from l to -l
 
Thanks, so the eigenvalue of L^2 is 2 \hbar^2, which must presumably have a probability of 1 as it's the only eigenvalue.

The eigenvalues of L_z are -\hbar, 0, \hbar, but how do I figure out their probabilities?

Sorry if this is a really stupid/easy question - as you can probably tell, QM isn't my forte by a long shot.
 
why is l=1? l runs from 0 to n-1
 
Because the functions that form the systems wave function are the three spherical harmonics of l=1.
 
Try writing the wave function in the form
\psi(\theta,\phi)=\sum_{m={-1},0,{+1}}c_{1,m}Y_{1,m}(\theta,\phi)
and find the c_{1,m} coefficients. Can you say what the probabilities are in terms of these?
 
Through a combination of the textbook and lecture notes, I get the constants to be:

c_1^0 = \sqrt{\frac{6}{8 \pi}}
and
c_1^{\pm 1} = \pm \sqrt{\frac{3}{8 \pi}}

However, the sum of the square of these doesn't equal 1 - am I supposed to include the Y function when squaring to find the probability?
 
TheBaker said:
Through a combination of the textbook and lecture notes, I get the constants to be:

c_1^0 = \sqrt{\frac{6}{8 \pi}}
and
c_1^{\pm 1} = \pm \sqrt{\frac{3}{8 \pi}}

However, the sum of the square of these doesn't equal 1 - am I supposed to include the Y function when squaring to find the probability?

I don't think the sum of the squares needs to be one in this case since they tell you proportional to and not equals. (Essentially you will need to find the correct constant that normalizes the wave function)
 
Right, I think I've got it. So since we know that the coefficient of m=0 is a factor of \sqrt{2} larger than m=±1, we find that...

P(m=0) = 0.5
P(m=1) = 0.25
P(m=-1) = 0.25

Hopefully, that's right. Thanks for everyone's help, I think I understand it all slightly better now (cue everyone telling me that I'm wrong).
 
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seeing as your coefficients were root(6/8pi) and root(3/8pi) you can see that one is double the other two and you know they have to sum to be 1 so your answer above is correct. i reckon you just hadn't properly normalised them earlier and that's why they weren't summing to 1.
 

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