Quarks in a meson, antibaryon, baryon

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between color charges and quarks in the context of hadron formation, specifically focusing on mesons and baryons. Participants explore the rules governing color neutrality and the implications for quark combinations, while also addressing the distinction between color charge and electric charge.

Discussion Character

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how color charges relate to quark combinations in mesons, questioning whether a red quark can combine with an antired quark of any flavor.
  • Another participant asserts that mesons must be color neutral, which can be achieved by pairing any color with its corresponding anti-color.
  • There is a suggestion that all charge combinations are allowed, but the requirement for color neutrality complicates the combinations of quarks.
  • Some participants clarify that only quarks possess color charge, which arises from the strong interaction, while leptons do not have color charge.
  • One participant questions the possibility of specific quark combinations, such as an antired anticharm quark with a red down quark, and reflects on the independence of color and flavor charges.
  • A later reply introduces the concept of linear combinations of colors in mesons, indicating that the situation is more complex than initially thought.
  • Another participant emphasizes the independence of color and flavor charges, suggesting that this distinction is crucial for understanding quark combinations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the rules of quark combinations and the implications of color neutrality. There is no consensus on the specifics of which combinations are permissible, and the discussion remains unresolved with multiple viewpoints presented.

Contextual Notes

Some participants acknowledge that their course may not cover the complexities of color combinations in depth, leading to potential gaps in understanding. The discussion highlights the need for clarity on the definitions and relationships between color and electric charges.

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Hi

I have just started an intro physics course - it has very little maths, explaining as much as possible in words.

I am having trouble with understanding the relationship between colour charges and quarks and how they are formed to create hadrons.

I understand that the colour charge must be neutral - so can a red quark can combine with an antired quark regardless of whether it is a anti-redtop quark, or anti-red bottom quark etc in order to create a neutral colour.

I would have thought that you would have to know the combination of electric charges possible in a meson and then be able to check it against the possible colour combinations...?

Any help appreciated.

Thanks
L
 
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I don't understand your question.
 
Lori15 said:
Hi

I would have thought that you would have to know the combination of electric charges possible in a meson and then be able to check it against the possible colour combinations...?

Thanks
L

Why ?

marlon
 
I would have thought that you would have to know the combination of electric charges possible in a meson and then be able to check it against the possible colour combinations...?
The general rule is that the result be color neutral. For mesons, this means any color and its anti-color. For baryons this means one red, one green, and one blue. (There are theories involving more than these numbers in combination - not in an ontro course.) All charge combinations are allowed.
 
Wait a minute. Are all quarks allocated colours and what do the colour represent? Do all fundamental partcles like leptons also have colours?
 
_Mayday_ said:
Wait a minute. Are all quarks allocated colours and what do the colour represent? Do all fundamental partcles like leptons also have colours?

Only quarks have a colour charge. These colours are basically quantum numbers that arise from the symmetry inherent to the strong interaction.
Leptons do not have a colour charge because they do not interact via the strong interaction.

If you want some general info, go here : http://pdg.web.cern.ch/pdg/particleadventure/frameless/strong.html

marlon
 
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marlon said:
Why ?

marlon


I was trying to understand whether you could have as a possible combination an antired anticharm quark and a red down quark in a meson - alternatively - the combination antired anticharm quark and a blue quark is unacceptable as this does not make a neutral colour.
But I wondered if all quarks can have any colour charge - perhaps some combinations wouldn't be allowed because of the allowed electric charges in a meson. But looking at it now I can see that as a meson is composed of quark/antiquark then it doesn't matter whether it is a u,p,c,s,t,or b quark because as long as it paired with its anticolour it doesn't matter what flavour of the six quarks you choose. I think I was allowing myself to get confused about the electric charges.

Thanks for your help
 
Lori15 said:
I was trying to understand whether you could have as a possible combination an antired anticharm quark and a red down quark in a meson
It is a bit more complicated than that. You have to have a linear combination
(r,ar)+(b,ab)+(g-ag). Otherwise each meson would be threefold color degenerate.
 
pam said:
It is a bit more complicated than that. You have to have a linear combination
(r,ar)+(b,ab)+(g-ag). Otherwise each meson would be threefold color degenerate.


I haven't got that far in my course yet - in fact I don't think it goes that far at all - but I think I get the gist of what you mean - I think the point was to encourage thinking on what are possible and not possible combinations regardless of anything else.

Thanks
L
 
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I think the fact that you are missing is that color (red-ness, etc.) and flavor (down-ness, charm-ness, etc.) are independent.
 

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