Question about Atmospheric pressure

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The discussion centers on the relationship between temperature (T), pressure (P), and density (D) of air, specifically under varying conditions. It is established that an increase in both temperature and pressure does not guarantee a consistent change in density; the extent of each variable's increase is crucial. For example, a pressure increase from 33 KPa to 101.32 KPa with a minimal temperature rise from 233 K to 235 K results in increased density, while a pressure increase of only 5 mb with a temperature rise from 20 K to 308 K leads to decreased density. The conclusion emphasizes that the relationship is contingent upon the relative changes in temperature and pressure.

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  • Understanding of the Ideal Gas Law (PV=nRT)
  • Familiarity with the concepts of pressure (P), temperature (T), and density (D)
  • Knowledge of how to manipulate equations in thermodynamics
  • Basic grasp of units of measurement in physics (e.g., KPa, mb, Kelvin)
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Homework Statement


The problem is this: If T(temperature) AND P(pressure) of air increases, what can we assume about D(density)?

Homework Equations


Well, I know that as temperature increases, pressure increases and vice versa. When you try this question out with the equation P=KdT it doesn't quite make sense. It all depends on how much the pressure increases and how much the temperature increases, correct? Let's say the pressure goes up from 33 KPa to 101.32 KPa but the temperature only goes from 233 Kelvin to 235 kelvin. Both the P and T increased but the density would increase. However, if the pressure only goes up by, say, 5 mb and the temperature increases from 20 K to 308 K then the density would decrease. If the pressure and temperature increase by the same rate (corresponding to the equation) then the density would remain the same.

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At first i said decrease, but then I assumed that my teacher meant that if P and T increase an equal amount, so I said density would stay the same. What is your guys' opinion on how to answer this? Would you say it depends on how much the T and P goes up or would you say it would remain the same? Or is there a different, correct solution? Thanks everyone. Any input is appreciated

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The Attempt at a Solution

 
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Why don't we assume ideal gas conditions and start from

PV=nRT where n is the number of moles

and try to modify above equation to the form P=KdT?
 
vintagecards said:
It all depends on how much the pressure increases and how much the temperature increases, correct?

Yes.
 

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