Question about decreasing sequence and finding its limit

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The discussion revolves around the properties of a sequence defined by the recurrence relation $x_{n+1}=\frac{1}{2}(x_{n}+\frac{a}{x_{n}})$, specifically focusing on demonstrating that the sequence is decreasing and bounded below by $\sqrt{a}$, as well as finding its limit as $n$ approaches infinity.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that to show the sequence is decreasing, one could analyze the ratio $\frac{x_{n+1}}{x_{n}}$ and establish conditions under which it is less than 1.
  • Others argue that if the sequence is both bounded below and decreasing, then it must converge, suggesting that the limit can be found by taking limits on both sides of the recurrence relation.
  • A later reply questions whether the sequence converges to its infimum, noting that this may depend on the initial value $x_{1}$ relative to $\sqrt{a}$.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about whether the condition $\frac{1}{2}+\frac{a}{2x_{n}^{2}}<1$ holds, and discuss the implications of different cases for $x_{1}$: less than, equal to, or greater than $\sqrt{a}$.
  • There is a suggestion that the middle case, where $x_{1}=\sqrt{a}$, leads to immediate convergence, while the case where $x_{1}> \sqrt{a}$ results in a monotonically decreasing sequence.
  • Participants note that the case where $x_{1}<\sqrt{a}$ presents more complexity and requires further exploration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that a decreasing sequence that is bounded below converges, but there is no consensus on the specific behavior of the sequence based on the initial value $x_{1}$. Multiple competing views remain regarding the conditions under which the sequence is decreasing and its limit.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need to consider different cases based on the value of $x_{1}$, which introduces complexity into the analysis of the sequence's behavior and convergence.

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Hey! :)
I have a question.
It is given that $a>0 , x_{1}=x>0 \text{ and } x_{n+1}=\frac{1}{2}(x_{n}+\frac{a}{x_{n}})$ and I have to show that the sequence $(x_{n})$,at least from its second term,is decreasing and bounded from below from $\sqrt{a}$.Also,I have to find the limit $\lim_{n \to \infty}x_{n}$.

To show that the sequence is decreasing,I thought that I could take $\frac{x_{n+1}}{x_{n}}$ and show that it is smaller that $1$.I found that $\frac{x_{n+1}}{x_{n}}=\frac{1}{2}(1+\frac{a}{x_{n}^{2}})=\frac{1}{2}+\frac{a}{2x_{n}^{2}}$.
But do we know that it is $\frac{1}{2}+\frac{a}{2x_{n}^{2}}<1 \Rightarrow x_{n}>\sqrt{a}$ ?
 
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If the sequence is bounded below and decreasing, then the limit exists. So, assuming you've shown these two, in order to find the limit, just take the limit of both sides of the equation:
$$\lim_{n\to \infty}x_{n+1}= \lim_{n \to \infty} \frac12 \left(x_{n}+ \frac{a}{x_{n}} \right),$$
or if $\lim_{x\to \infty}x_{n}=L$, then
$$L= \frac12 (L+a/L).$$
Now just solve for $L$.
 
Ackbach said:
If the sequence is bounded below and decreasing, then the limit exists. So, assuming you've shown these two, in order to find the limit, just take the limit of both sides of the equation:
$$\lim_{n\to \infty}x_{n+1}= \lim_{n \to \infty} \frac12 \left(x_{n}+ \frac{a}{x_{n}} \right),$$
or if $\lim_{x\to \infty}x_{n}=L$, then
$$L= \frac12 (L+a/L).$$
Now just solve for $L$.

I understand..Could I also say that because of the fact that the sequence is bounded below and decreasing,it converges to its inf??

Also,how can I show that it is decreasing? Can I use $\frac{x_{n+1}}{x_{n}} $ or do I have to do something else?
 
evinda said:
I understand..Could I also say that because of the fact that the sequence is bounded below and decreasing,it converges to its inf??

Yes, any monotonically decreasing sequence that is bounded below has to converge.

Also,how can I show that it is decreasing? Can I use $\frac{x_{n+1}}{x_{n}} $ or do I have to do something else?

You could try to show that $x_{n+1}/x_{n}$ is less than $1$. That might work. What do you get when you try that?
 
Ackbach said:
Yes, any monotonically decreasing sequence that is bounded below has to converge.
But we know that then the sequence converges to its infimum,or am I wrong? :confused:

Ackbach said:
You could try to show that $x_{n+1}/x_{n}$ is less than $1$. That might work. What do you get when you try that?

I found this: $\frac{1}{2}+\frac{a}{2x_{n}^{2}}$ ...But..Do we know that this is less than $1$ ?
 
evinda said:
But we know that then the sequence converges to its infimum,or am I wrong? :confused:

Well, it depends on $x_{1}$. You probably could say that the sequence converges to its $ \lim \inf$.

I found this: $\frac{1}{2}+\frac{a}{2x_{n}^{2}}$ ...But..Do we know that this is less than $1$ ?

I think you'll have to take three cases: $x_{1}< \sqrt{a}$, $x_{1}= \sqrt{a}$, and $x_{1}> \sqrt{a}$. The middle case is fairly straight-forward: the sequence converges to $\sqrt{a}$ immediately, and never changes. Also, the case $x_{1}> \sqrt{a}$ is straight-forward: the sequence is monotonically decreasing. It's that pesky $x_{1}< \sqrt{a}$ case that's troubling... What do you make of it?
 
By induction. Let $n\ge1$. We have $\displaystyle{{x}_{2}}-\sqrt{a}=\frac{1}{2}\left( \frac{a}{{{x}_{1}}}+{{x}_{1}} \right)-\sqrt{a}=\frac{1}{2}\cdot \frac{{{({{x}_{1}}-\sqrt{a})}^{2}}}{{{x}_{1}}}>0,$ so this shows that $x_2>\sqrt a$. Suppose now that $x_n>\sqrt a,$ so $x_n>0$ and in the same fashion we have $\displaystyle{{x}_{n+1}}-\sqrt{a}=\frac{1}{2}\left( \frac{a}{{{x}_{1}}}+{{x}_{1}} \right)-\sqrt{a}=\frac{1}{2}\cdot \frac{{{({{x}_{n}}-\sqrt{a})}^{2}}}{{{x}_{n}}}>0,$ implying that $x_{n+1}>\sqrt a,$ so $x_n>\sqrt a$ for all $n\ge1.$ Let's now show that $x_{n+1}>x_n$ for all $n\ge1$. Since $0<\sqrt a<x_2$ we have $\displaystyle\frac{a}{{{x}_{2}}}-{{x}_{2}}=\frac{a-x_{2}^{2}}{{{x}_{2}}}<0\implies \frac{a}{{{x}_{2}}}+{{x}_{2}}<2{{x}_{2}}\implies {{x}_{3}}<{{x}_{2}}.$ In the same fashion for $0<\sqrt a<x_{n+1}$ we get $\displaystyle\frac{a}{{{x}_{n+1}}}-{{x}_{n+1}}=\frac{a-x_{n+1}^{2}}{{{x}_{n+1}}}<0\implies \frac{a}{{{x}_{n+1}}}+{{x}_{n+1}}<2{{x}_{n+1}},$ so ${{x}_{n+2}}<{{x}_{n+1}}.$

Finally $x_n>\sqrt a$ and $x_{n+1}<x_n,$ hence $x_n$ is a decreasing bounded below sequence, so it has a limit.
 
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evinda said:
But we know that then the sequence converges to its infimum,or am I wrong? :confused:

Yes. A decreasing bounded below sequence converges to its infimum.
 

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