Question about gravitational force(Binary star)

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The discussion revolves around the gravitational forces and dynamics in a binary star system, particularly focusing on the relationship between the center of mass and the center of rotation. Participants are examining the implications of these concepts on the stability of the system.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are questioning the original poster's assertion about the net moment and the conditions under which the system might collapse. There is discussion about the nature of orbits, whether they are circular or elliptical, and how this affects the centers of mass. Some participants are exploring the relationship between angular momentum and moments of forces, while others are attempting to clarify the definition of moments in this context.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and questioning the assumptions made in the original statement. Some have offered interpretations of the terms used, such as "moment" and "center of mass," while others are exploring the implications of these definitions on the problem at hand.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the definitions of terms like "center of rotation" and "sum of moments about center of mass," which participants are actively trying to clarify. Additionally, the problem involves specific parameters about the stars' masses and their orbital radii, which are central to the discussion.

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In a binary star system, the centre of rotation of the system coincides with its centre of mass. If the two centres do not coincide, there arises a net moment and the system will collapse.

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But refer to the photo, isn't
Fh = Fh , so there is no net moment?

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Clara Chung said:
If the two centres do not coincide, there arises a net moment and the system will collapse.
That's a very odd statement. First, "centre of rotation" implies circular orbits, whereas in general each will follow an elliptical orbit, the common mass centre being at a focus of each. Secondly, if circular, I do not understand how the centres might not coincide.
Clara Chung said:
Fh = Fh
I think the author is referring to angular momentum rather than moments of forces, but I could be wrong.
 
haruspex said:
That's a very odd statement. First, "centre of rotation" implies circular orbits, whereas in general each will follow an elliptical orbit, the common mass centre being at a focus of each. Secondly, if circular, I do not understand how the centres might not coincide.

I think the author is referring to angular momentum rather than moments of forces, but I could be wrong.

Yes. It is a circular orbit. The question originally ask for the mass of each star if the radius of orbit P is twice that of Q. P and Q are the stars in a binary system. My approach is listing out an equation with equal force and angular velocity. However my book approach is :
Sum of moments about center of mass is zero.
Mp r = Mq 2r
So the mass of p is half of that q.
I don't understand the statement of sum of moments about cg is zero
 
Clara Chung said:
I don't understand the statement of sum of moments about cg is zero
Clara Chung said:
Mp r = Mq 2r
Ok, I see. The book is using "moment" to refer to the first moment of mass, i.e product of mass and displacement from axis. When the chosen axis is the common mass centre, the sum of the first moments of mass is zero.
 
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