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The discussion revolves around a proof concerning the irrationality of the square root of 2, specifically addressing the condition that integers m and n in the expression p = m/n should not both be even. Participants explore the implications of this condition within the proof.

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  • One participant questions why both m and n cannot be even in the proof that p^2 = 2 implies p is irrational.
  • Another participant argues that m and n can be chosen such that they are not both even, providing an example with p = 12/8, which simplifies to 3/2.
  • Some participants express confusion about how the conclusion that both m and n being even contradicts the assumption of p being rational.
  • There is a reiteration that if both m and n are even, it leads to a contradiction of the initial assumption that p is expressed in simplest form.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the necessity of the condition that m and n should not both be even, with some arguing for its importance and others questioning its validity.

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The discussion highlights the assumptions made regarding the simplification of fractions and the implications of evenness in integers, without resolving the underlying mathematical steps or definitions.

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I saw a proof on a textbook, but I don't understand why m and n should not both be even?

Prove p^2 =2 then p is irrational

(1) p^2 = 2
is not satisfied by any rational p. If there were such a p, we could write p = m/n
where m and n are integers that are not both even.

Then (1) implies

(2) m^2=2n^2

This shows that m^2 is even.

Hence m is even (if m were odd, m 2 would be odd),and so m^2 is divisible by 4.
It follows that the right side of (2) is divisible by 4,
so that n  is even, which implies that n is even.

The assumption that (1) holds thus leads to the conclusion that both m
and n are even, contrary to our choice of m and n. Hence (1) is impossible for
rational p.

Thanks in advance
 
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We can choose m and n not both even.

Indeed, let's say that p=\frac{12}{8} then both the numerator as the denominator are even. But we can simplify it as p=\frac{3}{2}, not not both are even.

So we can always write p=m/n with not both m and n even. If m and n were both even, then we can just simplify the fraction.
 
thanks for the reply, but I still don't understand why is m and n both are even a conclusive evidence that p is not a rational?
 
f24u7 said:
thanks for the reply, but I still don't understand why is m and n both are even a conclusive evidence that p is not a rational?

We assumed p to be rational. We could write p=m/n with m and n not both even. But then we reasoned further and we found that m and n were both even. This is a contradiction, so the hypothesis that p be rational was false. Thus p is irrational.
 

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