Question about the movement of electrons in a conductor

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The discussion revolves around the movement of electrons in a conductor, particularly in the context of electric fields and potential differences. Participants explore concepts related to current, electron behavior, and the underlying physics principles such as Coulomb's force and kinetic energy.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants question whether electrons accelerate in a conductor due to potential differences and how this relates to current and voltage. There are discussions about the nature of current and the behavior of valence electrons, with some suggesting alternative models involving elementary particles.

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The discussion includes various interpretations of electron movement and current. Some participants provide insights into the relationship between force, velocity, and current, referencing Ohm's law. However, there is no explicit consensus on the models being discussed, and multiple viewpoints are being explored.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the correctness of their models and assumptions regarding the behavior of electrons in conductors. There are mentions of potential misconceptions about the flow of electrons and the analogy of a "sea of valence electrons."

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Hello,
I know that the movement of a charged particle in space or a fluid caused by an electric field is accelerated(a = F / m) by the Coulomb force(Fc = k q1 q2 / d^2). And the Kinetic Energy of the particle is calculated through this equation ΔKE = q ΔV. But does an electron accelerate in a conductor because of a potential difference between the conductor's two ends ?. If it does, then does it affect the current's voltage or Intensity ?
 
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I prefer to think of current as an exchange of elementary particles i.e. w & z bosons, which essentially transfers energy through the wire. That's all you need to make stuff work.

Whether or not this is "correct", I don't know, but free electrons don't actually shoot through the wire; the whole "sea of valence electrons" is just a model we use.
 
BiGyElLoWhAt said:
I prefer to think of current as an exchange of elementary particles i.e. w & z bosons, which essentially transfers energy through the wire. That's all you need to make stuff work.

Whether or not this is "correct", I don't know, but free electrons don't actually shoot through the wire; the whole "sea of valence electrons" is just a model we use.

That makes no sense. there is no exchange of W and Z bosons in an ordinary wire with a current coming through. The sea of valence electrons on the other hand is quire real.
 
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a7madfmj said:
Hello,
I know that the movement of a charged particle in space or a fluid caused by an electric field is accelerated(a = F / m) by the Coulomb force(Fc = k q1 q2 / d^2). And the Kinetic Energy of the particle is calculated through this equation ΔKE = q ΔV. But does an electron accelerate in a conductor because of a potential difference between the conductor's two ends ?. If it does, then does it affect the current's voltage or Intensity ?

Yes. the electrons will accelerate but than they collide with some obstacle in the wire losing its energy. After the collision it starts accelerating again and so on.You end up with an average velocity (called the drift velocity) which is proportional to the force. So, instead of F=ma the equation F= const * velocity should be used. So we have Potential V ~ Force F ~ Velocity v ~ Current I. In other words the potential V is proportional to the current I: V+RI where I is a constant. That just turns out to be Ohm's law.
 
dauto said:
That makes no sense. there is no exchange of W and Z bosons in an ordinary wire with a current coming through. The see of valence electrons on the other hand is quire real.

Hmmm... upon looking it up, I see that I was mixing up exchange particles.

That aside, yes there "is" a SEA of valence electrons, but it doesn't behave like water flowing through a pipe like so many people seem to think it does. You don't have some certain number of electrons racing around the copper wire, causing dq/dt. In fact, it's plausible (at least in my mind) that no single electron makes it around a loop of wire within a reasonably finite amount of time.
 
dauto said:
Yes. the electrons will accelerate but than they collide with some obstacle in the wire losing its energy. After the collision it starts accelerating again and so on.You end up with an average velocity (called the drift velocity) which is proportional to the force. So, instead of F=ma the equation F= const * velocity should be used. So we have Potential V ~ Force F ~ Velocity v ~ Current I. In other words the potential V is proportional to the current I: V+RI where I is a constant. That just turns out to be Ohm's law.

Thank you.
 

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