Question about the Pauli equation

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The discussion revolves around the Pauli equation, specifically focusing on the expression (2.2.15) from a lecture note. Participants explore the relationship between the commutator and anticommutator of the operators involved, particularly in the context of vector products and the Levi-Civita tensor.

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  • One participant questions how to prove that the anticommutator {πi, πj} = 0 in the context of the expression (2.2.15).
  • Another participant argues that the anticommutator is unnecessary because the Levi-Civita tensor cancels its contribution, suggesting that the commutator is sufficient for the calculation.
  • A later reply challenges the cancellation claim, stating uncertainty about how the commutator relates to the vector product π × π.
  • Further contributions clarify the relationship between the vector product and the commutator, providing a detailed mathematical derivation involving the Levi-Civita tensor.
  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the application of the derived formula to the angular momentum operator, indicating a misunderstanding that was later resolved through discussion.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the necessity of the anticommutator in the expression. There are competing views regarding the role of the Levi-Civita tensor and the validity of the derived relationships.

Contextual Notes

Some mathematical steps and assumptions remain unresolved, particularly regarding the application of the derived results to different operators, such as the angular momentum operator.

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I have a question about this note: https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/physics...i-spring-2018/lecture-notes/MIT8_06S18ch2.pdf
I don't understand the expression (2.2.15). The complete relation would be

$$ \pi_i \pi_j = \frac{1}{2}\left(\left[\pi_i, \pi_j\right] + \left\{\pi_i, \pi_j\right\}\right), $$
where
$$ \vec{\pi} = \vec{p} - \frac{q}{c}\vec{A} $$
in gaussian unit. How can I prove that {πi, πj} = 0?
 
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In (2.2.15) you don't need the anticommutator, because the ##\epsilon_{ijk}## cancels this contribution identically. The commutator is most easily calculated in the position representation, where ##\hat{\vec{p}}=-\mathrm{i} \hbar \vec{\nabla}## or ##\hat{p}_i=-\mathrm{i} \partial_i##.
 
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vanhees71 said:
In (2.2.15) you don't need the anticommutator, because the ##\epsilon_{ijk}## cancels this contribution identically. The commutator is most easily calculated in the position representation, where ##\hat{\vec{p}}=-\mathrm{i} \hbar \vec{\nabla}## or ##\hat{p}_i=-\mathrm{i} \partial_i##.

Sorry, but I can't see how the Levi-Civita tensor cancels the anticommutator. I calculated the commutator using the position representation, as you mentioned. What I can't figure out is how I relate the commutator with the vector product ##\vec{\pi}\times\vec{\pi}##.
 
You have
$$(\vec{\pi} \times \vec{\pi})_k=\epsilon_{ijk} \pi_i \pi_j=\frac{1}{2} \epsilon_{ijk} (\pi_i \pi_j-\pi_j \pi_i)=\frac{1}{2} \epsilon_{ijk}[\pi_i,\pi_j],$$
because ##\epsilon_{ijk}=-\epsilon_{jik}##.
 
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vanhees71 said:
You have
$$(\vec{\pi} \times \vec{\pi})_k=\epsilon_{ijk} \pi_i \pi_j=\frac{1}{2} \epsilon_{ijk} (\pi_i \pi_j-\pi_j \pi_i)=\frac{1}{2} \epsilon_{ijk}[\pi_i,\pi_j],$$
because ##\epsilon_{ijk}=-\epsilon_{jik}##.

Hmmm, so this is valid for any operator, right? Now I got it. I did in this way before, but I thought that was wrong, because it wasn't working with the ##\vec{L}## operator. But I forgot an extra ##\epsilon_{ijk}## that appears in ##\left[L_{i},L_{j}\right]##. So this gives

$$ {\displaystyle \left(\vec{L}\times\vec{L}\right)_{k}=\sum_{i,j}\frac{\epsilon_{ijk}}{2}\underbrace{\left[L_{i},L_{j}\right]}_{{\displaystyle i\hbar\sum_{k}\epsilon_{ijk}L_{k}}}=\frac{i\hbar}{2}\left(\sum_{i,j}\epsilon_{ijk}\epsilon_{ij1}L_{1}+\sum_{i,j}\epsilon_{ijk}\epsilon_{ij2}L_{2}+\sum_{i,j}\epsilon_{ijk}\epsilon_{ij3}L_{3}\right)} $$

$$ {\displaystyle =\frac{i\hbar}{2}\left[\left(\epsilon_{23k}\epsilon_{231}+\epsilon_{32k}\epsilon_{321}\right)L_{1}+\left(\epsilon_{13k}\epsilon_{132}+\epsilon_{31k}\epsilon_{312}\right)L_{2}+\left(\epsilon_{12k}\epsilon_{123}+\epsilon_{21k}\epsilon_{213}\right)L_{3}\right]} $$

$$ {\displaystyle =\frac{i\hbar}{2}\left[\left(\epsilon_{23k}-\epsilon_{32k}\right)L_{1}+\left(\epsilon_{31k}-\epsilon_{13k}\right)L_{2}+\left(\epsilon_{12k}-\epsilon_{21k}\right)L_{3}\right]} $$

$$ {\displaystyle =\frac{i\hbar}{2}\left[2\epsilon_{23k}L_{1}+2\epsilon_{31k}L_{2}+2\epsilon_{12k}L_{3}\right]} $$

$$ {\displaystyle =i\hbar\epsilon_{k23}L_{1}+i\hbar\epsilon_{1k3}L_{2}+i\hbar\epsilon_{12k}L_{3}} $$

$$ {\displaystyle =i\hbar L_{k}}, $$

which is the correct answer. It makes sense to me now. Thank you very much for your help :)
 

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