Question about the wave function of a travelling wave

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The discussion revolves around the wave function of a traveling wave, specifically the expression u(x,t)=Acos[ω(t-x/v)+φ0]. Participants explore the implications of this wave function, particularly regarding the initial conditions and the nature of the wave (transverse vs. longitudinal).

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  • One participant expresses confusion about the wave function's prediction of displacement at the moment the wave arrives at a point, suggesting a contradiction with the expected equilibrium position.
  • Another participant proposes that the wave function represents a steady wave, implying that the initial conditions might be misunderstood.
  • A third participant clarifies that the wave function assumes specific initial conditions and suggests modifying the phase to achieve a desired starting point, while also correcting the classification of the wave as transverse rather than longitudinal.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of the wave function and its implications. There are competing views regarding the initial conditions and the classification of the wave type.

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Participants discuss the implications of initial conditions on the wave function, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the nature of the wave and its classification. The discussion does not resolve the apparent contradiction mentioned by the first participant.

Jeremy1986
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Hi guys,
Greetings!
I have a confusion about the wave function of a traveling wave. This is the wave function of a traveling wave traveling towards the positive direction of x axis

u(x,t)=Acos[ω(t-x/v)+φ0], where v is the velocity of the wave, ω is the angular velocity, φ0 is the initial phase.
Consider u as the displacement of a particle in y direction perpendicular to the x direction, that is, a longitudinal wave.
in the textbook, the above wave function is derived by first considering a particle oscillating at x=0 with an oscillation function u(0,t)=Acos(ωt+φ0). then when the oscilaltion spreads towards the positive x direction, it takes the oscillation x/v to arrive at x. then the oscillation at x is x/v left behind that of x=0, so we have ω(t-x/v)+φ0 the phase of the oscillation at x with respect to x=0.

my question is, for the oscillation of x at t=x/v (just at the time the wave arrived at x), according to the wave function, the displacement should be u(x,x/v)=Acos[φ0]. but since the wave has just been arrived, the starting point for the particle shold be its equilibrium point, with u(x,x/v)=0 in this case. So is there a contradiction? I have some thoughts about this, and i will post it in the next floor. I don't know whether it is right. would anyone please give me some instruction? Thanks a lot for your kind help!
 
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i think that maybe because the wave function u(x,t)=Acos[ω(t-x/v)+φ0] is the function of a wave that is steady in the space. so the derivation in the textbook gets the right wave function, but it is wrong to think like that.
 
Chandra Prayaga said:
The wave function you gave, u(x,t)=Acos[ω(t-x/v)+φ0], assumes that at t = 0, x = 0, the oscillation is Acos[φ0]. This is an initial condition, and it is in your hand. If you want the wave to start from 0, you just put φo = π/2.

Incidentally, A wave that oscillates along the y direction while traveling in the x direction is a transverse wave, not a longitudinal one.

Reference https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/question-about-the-wave-function-of-a-travelling-wave.850689/
Thanks Prayaga, it really helps!
 

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