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The discussion revolves around the nature of unitary operators in quantum mechanics, particularly whether there exist unitary operators that do not correspond to any symmetry transformations. Participants explore the implications of unitary and antiunitary operators, the relationship between symmetries and conserved quantities, and the specific case of Lorentz symmetry in relation to Hamiltonians.

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  • One participant questions if there are unitary operators that do not correspond to any symmetry, suggesting a parity transformation as a potential example.
  • Another participant explains that all transformations described by unitary operators leave physically relevant quantities unchanged and that any transformation can be described as either unitary or antiunitary.
  • It is noted that a symmetry operation implies that the dynamics of the system remain unchanged under the transformation, which is formalized by the commutation of the unitary operator with the Hamiltonian.
  • Concerns are raised regarding Lorentz symmetry, with participants noting that the Hamiltonian is not invariant under Lorentz transformations, suggesting a limitation in the discussion of symmetries.
  • References are made to standard quantum mechanics and the Galilean transformations, indicating that the discussion may be limited to simpler cases without explicit time dependence.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of unitary operators and their relationship to symmetries, particularly in the context of Lorentz symmetry. There is no consensus on whether all unitary operators correspond to symmetries, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific implications of Lorentz transformations.

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The discussion touches on complex topics such as the relationship between unitary operators and symmetries, the implications of Noether's theorem, and the limitations of certain symmetry transformations in quantum mechanics. Specific assumptions about the nature of transformations and the context of the Hamiltonian are not fully explored.

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We know that for every symmetry transformation, we can define a linear, unitary operator (or antiunitary, anti linear operator) that takes a physical state into another state. My question is if there exists unitary operators that act in this way that do not correspond to any symmetry? Would a parity transformation acting on a physical state that does not conserve it be an example of this?
 
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There are a lot of unitary operators. The transformations described by them all leave the physically relevant quantities unchanged. Strictly speaking there's a larger type of transformations, not only unitary ones, because pure states are not represented by the Hilbert-space vectors but by rays in Hilbert space (or more conveniently and equivalently general quantum states by a statistical operator, with the pure states as the special case where the statistical operator is a projection operator, i.e., of the form ##\hat{\rho}=|\psi \rangle \langle \psi|## with a normalized vector ##|\psi \rangle##), but one can show that any such transformation can be described either as a unitary or an antiunitary operator on Hilbert space. If the transformation can be continuously "deformed" from the identity operator, it's always a unitary transformation. The most important case, where you must (!) use an antiunitary description is "time reversal", i.e.

In detail, a unitary transformation of all Hilbert-space vectors via
$$|\psi \rangle \rightarrow |\psi ' \rangle = \hat{U} |\psi \rangle, \quad \hat{U}^{\dagger}=\hat{U}^{-1},$$
and of the operators (particularly those representing observables) via
$$\hat{A} \rightarrow \hat{A}'=\hat{U} \hat{A} \hat{U}^{\dagger},$$
leaves the probabilities according to Born's rule and also all expectation values of observables invariant:
$$\langle a' |\psi' \rangle=\langle \hat{U} a|\hat{U} \psi \rangle=\langle a |\hat{U}^{\dagger} \hat{U}|\psi \rangle=\langle a|\psi \rangle,$$
$$\langle \psi' |\hat{A}'|\psi' \rangle=\langle \hat{U} \psi |\hat{U} \hat{A} \hat{U}^{\dagger} \hat{U} |\psi \rangle=\langle \psi |\hat{U}^{\dagger} \hat{U} \hat{A} |\psi \rangle=\langle \psi |\hat{A}|\psi \rangle.$$
Also note that with ##\hat{A}## also ##\hat{A}'## is self-adjoint. Also note that ##\hat{U}## can also be time-dependent. Then one calls it a tranformation from one picture of time evolution to another (e.g., from the Schrödinger to the Heisenberg picture).

A symmetry operation is now something special. Under a symmetry we understand a transformation of quantities such that the dynamics of these quantities is unchanged. These have important physical implications. E.g., translation invariance in space means that the outcome of any experiment does not depend on where you do this experiment. E.g., investigating some heavy-ion scattering process at the LHC at CERN would give the same result as investigating the very same process at the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider at the Brookhaven National Lab (provided you'd run the LHC at the lower energies available at RHIC ;-)).

Formally the demand on a symmetry to lead to the same dynamics of the quantum system under investigation, means that transforming the Hamiltonian with the corresponding unitary (or antiunitary) operator does not change, i.e., you must have
$$\hat{H}'=\hat{U} \hat{H} \hat{U}^{\dagger} = \hat{H},$$
or multiplying the equation with ##\hat{U}## from the right
$$\hat{U} \hat{H}=\hat{H} \hat{U} \; \Leftrightarrow \; [\hat{H},\hat{U}]=0,$$
i.e., a unitary operator represents a symmetry of the system, if it commutes with the Hamiltonian of this system.

Now, on the other hand the commutator of an operator that represents an observable, the commutator of its representing operator with the Hamiltonian represents the time derivative of this observable. Now you can express a unitary operator in terms of a self-adjoint operator via the operator exponential function,
$$\hat{U}=\exp(-\mathrm{i} \hat{A}), \quad \hat{A}^{\dagger}=\hat{A} \; \Rightarrow \; \hat{U}^{\dagger}=\hat{U}^{-1}.$$
Thus, if you have a symmetry operator ##\hat{U}##, the corresponding self-adjoint "generator" ##\hat{A}## is conserved in the sense that the time derivative of the associated observable vanishes:
$$\mathring{\hat{A}}=\frac{1}{\mathrm{i} \hbar} [\hat{A},\hat{H}]=0.$$
That is the quantum version of one of Noether's theorems: Any symmetry implies the existence of a conserved quantity and vice versa.

Note that ##\mathring{\hat{A}}## is only the same as ##\mathrm{d} \hat{A}/\mathrm{d} t##, if you use the Heisenberg picture to describe your system, but that's another story.
 
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vanhees71 said:
Formally the demand on a symmetry to lead to the same dynamics of the quantum system under investigation, means that transforming the Hamiltonian with the corresponding unitary (or antiunitary) operator does not change, i.e., you must have
$$\hat{H}'=\hat{U} \hat{H} \hat{U}^{\dagger} = \hat{H},$$
or multiplying the equation with ##\hat{U}## from the right
$$\hat{U} \hat{H}=\hat{H} \hat{U} \; \Leftrightarrow \; [\hat{H},\hat{U}]=0,$$
i.e., a unitary operator represents a symmetry of the system, if it commutes with the Hamiltonian of this system.

What about Lorentz symmetry? The Hamiltonian is not left invariant in this case.
 
hgandh said:
What about Lorentz symmetry? The Hamiltonian is not left invariant in this case.

He is talking about standard QM which obeys the Galilean transformations.

See chapter 3 Ballentine.

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Bill
 
hgandh said:
What about Lorentz symmetry? The Hamiltonian is not left invariant in this case.
I've only referred to the most simple case of symmetries, not involving explicit time dependence, which is the case for both Galilei and Lorentz boosts of course. For a full treatment of the Poincare group, see my QFT lecture notes (particularly Appendix B)

https://th.physik.uni-frankfurt.de/~hees/publ/lect.pdf
 

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