Question: Conservation of Momentum

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The discussion revolves around a conservation of momentum problem involving two spacecraft that are thrust apart. Participants are examining the initial speed of the spacecraft when they were linked together, given their masses and velocities after separation.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the initial velocity using momentum conservation and vector addition. Some participants question the derivation, particularly the angles used and the significance of the resultant momentum. Others suggest using separate equations for the x and y components of momentum to solve the problem.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on the original poster's calculations and suggesting alternative approaches. There is acknowledgment of potential roundoff errors in the calculations, and some guidance on expressing intermediate results with significant figures has been offered.

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Participants are discussing the angles of the momentum vectors and their reference axes, which may affect the interpretation of the problem. There is also a focus on ensuring clarity in the setup of the momentum conservation equations.

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I'm not very confident with my final answer for this question, wondering where I might have gone off track...

2 spacecraft are thrust apart, what was the original speed of the 2 craft when they were linked together?

Mass spacecraft 1 = 1.9 x 10^4kg
Velocity spacecraft 1 after separation is 3.5 x 10^3 km/h @ 5.1º [NE]

Mass spacecraft 2 = 1.7 x 10^4kg
Velocity spacecraft 2 after separation is 3.4 x 10^3 km/h @ 5.9º [SE]

For spacecraft 1
p = m*v
p = 1.8 x 10^7 kg.m/s

For spacecraft 2
p = m*v
p = 1.6 x 10^7 kg.m/s

The first vector is 1.8 x 10^7 kg.m/s @ 5.1 [NE]
The second vector is 1.6 x 10^7 kg.m/s @ 5.9 [SE]
The angle between these 2 vectors is 169º.

Using law of cosines...
c^2 = (1.8 x 10^7)^2+(1.6 x 10^7)^2 -[2(1.8 x 10^7)(1.6 x 10^7)cos(169)]
c^2 = 3.24 x 10^14 + 2.56 x 10^14 -[2(2.88 x 10^14)cos(169)]
c^2 = 5.8 x 10^14 + 5.7 x 10^14
c^2 = 11.5 x 10^14

c = 3.4 x 10^7kg.m/s

Final momentum = Initial momentum
p = m.v
and combined mass before separation is 36000kg
3.4 x 10^7kg.m/s = 36000kg.v

v = 944m/s
 
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I really don't follow your derivation, in particular:

  • Are the angles 5.1° and 5.9° taken from the x axis or the y axis?
  • I don't see the significance of c here. I get that it's supposed to be the difference between the momenta of the two spacecraft , but that isn't useful in any way I'm aware of.

That being said -- the usual way to solve these problems is to set up two equations, expressing the conservation of momentum in the x and y directions. This will give you the x and y components of the initial velocity.
 
Hi, thanks for responding!

My thinking was...first I'd calculate the total final momentum of each craft after separation.

Then create a diagram of the vector addition and use Law of Cosines where the resultant would be the "c" variable.

The arrow representing P after separation of the first craft would be 5.1° below the x-axis.
The arrow representing P after separation of the second craft would be 5.9° above the x-axis.
The angle between the 2 vectors is 169°

Since initial momentum = final momentum, the resultant here will equal total initial momentum which I arrived at 3.4 x 10^7kg.m/s

And two masses combined before separation is 36000kg

3.4 x 10^7kg.m/s = 36000kg.v

v = 944m/s
 
Ah, now I understand. Your answer looks pretty good, though there may be some roundoff error. You might try expressing your intermediate calculations in 3 significant figures, then round off to the correct sig figs at the very end.
 
OK, Thanks so much!
 

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