Angular Momentum Conservation in Spacecraft Orbits

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The discussion revolves around the conservation of angular momentum, linear momentum, and mechanical energy in the context of spacecraft orbits, specifically transitioning between parabolic, circular, and elliptical orbits.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the conditions under which angular momentum is conserved and question the conservation of linear momentum and mechanical energy due to gravitational influences. There are discussions about the implications of modeling the spacecraft's mass and propulsion, as well as the calculations needed for energy changes between different types of orbits.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively questioning assumptions about conservation laws and the modeling of the spacecraft, with some offering insights into energy calculations for circular orbits. There is a recognition of the complexity introduced by factors like mass loss and lack of specific parameters, leading to a variety of interpretations and approaches being discussed.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the absence of information such as exhaust velocity and initial velocity, which complicates the analysis. There is also mention of different formulas applicable to various types of orbits, indicating a need for clarification on these aspects.

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Homework Statement
A spacecraft designed to reach Mars has mass=2000 kg. The first stage moves in an almost parabolic orbit. When it reaches the closest point (5 times Mars radius), it starts moving in a circular orbit. After that, it moves in an elliptical orbit and lands. Determine
A) what magnitudes of the spacecraft are conserved
B) angular momentum in each orbit
C) velocity when it reaches the closest point in the parabolic orbit
D) energy needed to change to the circular orbit, and then to the elliptical one.
E) velocity when it lands
Relevant Equations
##E_M=E_C+E_P##
##L=rxv##
Tell me if I'm right:
A) Angular momentum is conserved because there are no external torques. Linear momentum isn't conserved because gravity is acting on the spacecraft . Mechanical energy isn't conserved because it has to change between different orbits.
B) Parabolic orbit: ##L=mv_1.5r_{Mars}##
Circular: ##L=mv_2 5r_{Mars}##
Elliptical: ##L=mv_3r_{Mars}##

I don't know if I should consider ##v_1## as given because that's what I'm asked in C. If I should't then I don't know how to calculate ##L##.

D) I know that ##E_M=E_C+E_P##, so I have to do ##\Delta E##. Kinetic energy is simple, but what about potenial energy? From circular to elliptical we have ##E_{cir}=-GmM/5r_m## and ##E_{elip}=-GmM/2(r_a+r_p)##, where ##r_p=r_{Mars}## but what about ##r_a##?

E) That's just the velocity at perigee.
 
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A) Angular momentum is conserved because there are no external torques
Would you expect the rocket to fire its thrusters to change from parabolic orbit to circular orbit?
 
Is the mass of the spacecraft conserved?
 
As I read the question, the intent is to model the spacecraft as a payload of fixed mass to which propulsion is applied by an unspecified external force. This force provides (or absorbs) the required change in payload energy at the two points specified in:
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D) energy needed to change to the circular orbit, and then to the elliptical one.
If we decide to model the entire space craft, including the not-yet-burned fuel, the situation is more difficult. Since we are not given an exhaust velocity, I would think that it best to stick with the simpler model.
 
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jbriggs444 said:
If we decide to model the entire space craft, including the not-yet-burned fuel, the situation is more difficult. Since we are not given an exhaust velocity, I would think that it best to stick with the simpler model.

So angular and linear momentum, and mechanical energy are not conserved.
But then I have different unknown variables, because I don't have ##dm/dt## or initial velocity for example.
How should I go on?
And when I want to calculate the change in energy between the orbits what formulas should I use? (Because ##GmM/2a## is used for elliptical or circular orbits, but what about parabolic or hyperbolic orbits?)
 
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So angular and linear momentum, and mechanical energy are not conserved.
But then I have different unknown variables, because I don't have ##dm/dt## or initial velocity for example.
How should I go on?
And when I want to calculate the change in energy between the orbits what formulas should I use? (Because ##GmM/2a## is used for elliptical or circular orbits, but what about parabolic or hyperbolic orbits?)
For a circular orbit, can you calculate kinetic energy and potential energy? What fraction is the one of the other?
 
jbriggs444 said:
For a circular orbit, can you calculate kinetic energy and potential energy? What fraction is the one of the other?
Yes, the kinetic energy of a satellite in a circular orbit is half its gravitational energy
 
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Yes, the kinetic energy of a satellite in a circular orbit is half its gravitational energy
Now, is there anything special about a parabolic orbit? How much kinetic energy is left at infinity in such an orbit?
 
jbriggs444 said:
Now, is there anything special about a parabolic orbit? How much kinetic energy is left at infinity in such an orbit?
In parabolic orbits you have ##GmM/r = 1/2 m v^2##
 
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In parabolic orbits you have ##GmM/r = 1/2 m v^2##
So you have everything you need to compute the velocity before and after the transition from parabolic to circular orbit, yes?
 
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So you have everything you need to compute the velocity before and after the transition from parabolic to circular orbit, yes?
I've understood
thanks!
 

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