Question on Definition of Cover of a Set

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The discussion revolves around the definition of an open cover of a set in the context of measure theory, specifically regarding the concept of σ-finiteness of measures. Participants explore the relationship between open covers and σ-finite measures, questioning whether the existence of an open cover implies σ-finiteness under certain conditions.

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  • One participant defines an open cover of a set X and relates it to the concept of σ-finiteness in measure theory.
  • Another participant suggests that a countable open cover suffices for the discussion of σ-finiteness.
  • Some participants note that the converse claim—that if a measure is σ-finite, then there exists a countable open cover with finite measure—is generally false.
  • A specific example is provided involving the "rational counting" measure, illustrating that while the measure is σ-finite, every nonempty open set has infinite measure.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of open covers for σ-finiteness, with some agreeing on the necessity of countability while others challenge the validity of the converse claim. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the broader implications of these relationships.

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The discussion highlights limitations in the definitions and assumptions regarding open covers and σ-finite measures, particularly concerning the necessity of countability and the nature of the measures involved.

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So when we have an open cover of a set X means we have a collection of sets [itex]\{ E_\alpha\}_{\alpha \in I}[/itex]

such that [itex]X \subset \bigcup_{\alpha \in I} E_\alpha[/itex].

My question comes from measure theory, on the question of finite [itex]\sigma[/itex] -measures,

The definition I'm readying says [itex]\mu[/itex] is [itex]\sigma[/itex] - finite if there exists sets [itex]E_i \in \mathcal{A}[/itex] for [itex]i = 1,2, ...[/itex] such that [itex]\mu(E_i) < \infty[/itex] for each [itex]i[/itex] and [itex]X = \bigcup_{i=1}^\infty E_i[/itex].

Can I say that μ is σ - finite if there exists an open cover for X such that μ(Ei)< ∞ for each i? Is my understanding correct?
 
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Make it a countable open cover, and you're good to go.
 
It merits note that the converse claim "If μ is σ-finite, then there exists a countable open cover {Ek} with μ(Ek) < ∞" (where X is a topological space and μ is a measure over the Borel algebra) is generally false.
 
jgens said:
It merits note that the converse claim "If μ is σ-finite, then there exists a countable open cover {Ek} with μ(Ek) < ∞" (where X is a topological space and μ is a measure over the Borel algebra) is generally false.

As an example, consider the "rational counting" measure [itex]\mu:\mathcal B_{\mathbb R}\to [0,\infty][/itex] on the real line. So [itex]\mu(A) = |A\cap\mathbb Q|[/itex]. The measure [itex]\mu[/itex] is [itex]\sigma[/itex]-finite, as witnessed by the countable Borel cover [itex]\{\{r\}:\enspace r\in\mathbb Q\}\cup\{\mathbb R\setminus\mathbb Q\}[/itex]. However, every nonempty open set has infinite [itex]\mu[/itex]-measure.
 

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