Question on dense subset of l^p space

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The discussion revolves around the properties of the space l^p(X) for an infinite set X, specifically focusing on the existence of a dense subset within this space that has the same cardinality as X. Participants explore the definitions and properties of the functions and norms involved, as well as the convergence of certain mappings.

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  • One participant defines the space l^p(X) and introduces the norm ||f||_p, aiming to show the existence of a dense subset of l^p(X) with cardinality equal to that of X.
  • Another participant asks how to prove the claim specifically for X = ℕ, suggesting a possible approach.
  • Several participants identify a potential typo in the definition of the function δ_a, questioning whether δ_a(a) should equal 1 instead of 0.
  • There are requests for clarification regarding the notation and conditions used, particularly concerning the definition of E and the range of the norm || ||_p.
  • One participant acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the condition |E| < ℵ₀, clarifying that finite sums are indeed bounded and convergent.
  • A later reply suggests that finite functions taking only rational values could serve as a dense subset, prompting a request for proof of this assertion.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding specific definitions and conditions, particularly about the function δ_a and the properties of the norm. There is no consensus on the resolution of the typo or the implications of the conditions stated.

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Limitations include unclear definitions of certain terms, the potential typo in the function definition, and the need for further clarification on the properties of the norm and the nature of the dense subset being discussed.

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Let X be an infinite set. Consider the set l^p(X), where 1\leq p &lt; +\infty, of all complex functions that satisfy the inequality
\sup \{\sum_{x\in E} |f(x)|^p: E \subset X, \;\; |E|&lt;\aleph_0 \} &lt; +\infty.
The function \| \|_p: l^p(X)\rightarrow \mathbb{[0,+\infty]} defined by
\| f \|_p = \sup \{ \left( \sum_{x\in E} |f(x)|^p \right)^{1/p}: E \subset X, \; |E|&lt;\aleph_0 \}
makes l^p(X) a complete normed vector space.

What I'm trying to show is that there exists a dense subset of l^p(X) with cardinality equal to that of X. For every point a\in X we consider the function \delta_a: X\rightarrow \mathbb{C} with \delta_a(x) = 0, if x\neq 0, and \delta_a (a) = 0.

Let f\in l^p(X). Consider the collection \mathcal{C} of all finite subsets of X. The relation \subset on \mathcal{C} makes this collection a directed set. For every E\in\mathcal{C}, let g_E = \sum_{a\in E} f(a) \delta_a. The mapping E\rightarrow g_E constitutes a net, which I'm trying to show that it converges to f.

If \epsilon&gt;0 there exists a finite subset E of X such that
\|f\|_p - \left(\sum_{x\in E}|f(x)|^p \right)^{1/p}&lt;\epsilon
which in turn leads to
\| f \|_p - \| g_E \|_p &lt;\epsilon.Therefore, if G a finite subset of X that contains E then \| f \|_p - \| g_G \|_p &lt; \epsilon. What I've been having problem proving is the inequality \| f - g_G \|_p &lt; \epsilon. Any ideas on this? Thanks in advance! :)
 
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How would you prove it for ##X = \mathbb{N}##? Can you mimic that proof?
 
There seems to be at least one serious typo. \delta_a(a)=0 Should be =1?
 
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mathman said:
There seems to be at least one serious typo. \delta_a(a)=0 Should be =1?

Together with unstated conditions:
1)What is ##E##
2) I think the condition ## || ||_p ## should have range in ## [0, \infty) ##. I am not aware of infinity-valued normed spaces.
3) This may be obvious, but I guess your bet is defined on $l^p(X)$, and not on, some other set?
 
WWGD said:
Together with unstated conditions:
1)What is ##E##

##E## is finite subset of ##X##.

2) I think the condition ## || ||_p ## should have range in ## [0, \infty) ##. I am not aware of infinity-valued normed spaces.

It does since ##E## is finite.
 
Ah, yes, my bad, I missed the "## |E| < \aleph_0 ##"; I expected a sort of ## |E| < \infty ##; clearly finite sums are bounded/convergent.
 
Hi https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/question-on-dense-subset-of-l-p-space.823629/members/kostas230.419693/ ,

probably the easiest way is to show that finite functions (i.e. functions that are non-zero at finitely points) taking only rational values are dense.
Can you prove that?
 
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