Question on invertibility in finite fields

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The discussion revolves around the invertibility of elements in finite fields, specifically addressing conditions under which an integer \( n \) is considered invertible in the context of the discrete Fourier transform and properties of finite fields. Participants explore definitions and implications of divisibility and field characteristics.

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  • Some participants propose that if \( n \) divides \( p-1 \), then \( n \) is invertible because \( p \) cannot divide \( n \).
  • Others argue that the representation of \( n \) as \( n = 1 + 1 + \ldots + 1 \) is significant as it aligns with the definition of \( n \) in a field.
  • A participant explains that in a field of characteristic \( p \), all elements except zero are invertible, and provides reasoning involving the Euclidean algorithm to show that if \( p \) does not divide \( n \), then \( n \) is coprime to \( p \) and thus has an inverse modulo \( p \).
  • Questions arise about the assumption \( n = kp \) and its role in differentiating cases where \( n \) is a multiple of \( p \) versus when it is expressed in terms of the Euclidean algorithm.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the inequality \( n < p \), with some participants initially misunderstanding its necessity, later recognizing that the key condition is \( p \nmid n \).

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Participants engage in clarifying questions and explanations, but there is no consensus on all aspects of the discussion, particularly regarding the implications of the assumptions made about \( n \) and its relationship to \( p \).

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Some limitations include the dependence on the definitions of invertibility and field characteristics, as well as unresolved mathematical steps related to the implications of divisibility and the Euclidean algorithm.

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Hello all,

I have here an excerpt from Wikipedia about the discrete Fourier transform:

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My question(s) are about the red underlined part.

1.) If ##n## divides ##p-1##, why does this imply that ##n## is invertible?
2.) Why does Wikipedia take the effort to write out the ##n## as ##n = 1+1+...+1##, what is behind this?

I would be glad if someone could help me a little bit here.
 
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Albert01 said:
1.) If ##n## divides ##p-1##, why does this imply that ##n## is invertible?
Because then ##p## cannot divide ##n##.
Albert01 said:
2.) Why does Wikipedia take the effort to write out the ##n## as ##n = 1+1+...+1##, what is behind this?
That is the definition of ##n## in a field.
 
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If you already accept that ##GF(q)=GF(p^m)## is a field, then all elements except zero are invertible. And zero in a field of characteristic ##p## is
$$
0=\underbrace{1+1+\ldots+1}_{p\text{ times}}
$$
Now consider any natural number ##n,## as @martinbn mentioned, defined as
$$
n=\underbrace{1+1+\ldots+1}_{n\text{ times}}
$$
and assume ##n=k\cdot p.## Then
$$
n=\underbrace{\underbrace{1+1+\ldots+1}_{p\text{ times }=0}+\underbrace{1+1+\ldots+1}_{p\text{ times }=0}+\ldots+\underbrace{1+1+\ldots+1}_{p\text{ times }=0}}_{k\text{ times }=0}=0
$$
and all other numbers are unequal zero modulo ##p## hence invertible. The Euclidean algorithm allows us to write
$$
n=r\cdot p + s\qquad , \qquad 0<s<p
$$
if ##p## does not divide ##n## so ##n\equiv s \neq 0 \pmod{p}## and as @martinbn mentioned, ##n<p## prevents that ##p\,|\,n## or ##s=0.## Furthermore, ##n## and ##p## are coprime, i.e. their greatest common divisor is ##1.## This means by Bézout's identity that we can write
$$
1=a \cdot n + b \cdot p \quad \text{ or }\quad a\cdot n \equiv 1\pmod{p}
$$
and ##a## is the inverse of ##n## modulo ##p.##
 
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Thank you for the very good answer!

A few questions:
1.) Why can we assume ##n=kp##? You only do this here as an example to show the difference between ##n = kp## and ##n = rp + s##, right?

2) The inequality ##n < p## is due to the fact that all elements in the field are smaller than ##p##, right?
 
Albert01 said:
Thank you for the very good answer!

A few questions:
1.) Why can we assume ##n=kp##? You only do this here as an example to show the difference between ##n = kp## and ##n = rp + s##, right?
Yes. I assumed ##n=kp## to show why multiples of ##p## do not have an inverse modulo ##p##.
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2) The inequality ##n < p## is due to the fact that all elements in the field are smaller than ##p##, right?
That was a misunderstanding on my side. All we need is ##p\,\nmid \,n##.
(If ##p\,|\,n## and ##n\,|\,(q-1)=p^m-1## then ##p\,|\,(p^m-1)## which is impossible. Thus ##p\,\nmid \,n.##)
 

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