Question on subspaces and spans of vector spaces

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The discussion revolves around understanding concepts related to subspaces and spans within vector spaces, specifically in the context of examples provided in \(\mathbb{R}^2\). Participants explore definitions, clarify misunderstandings, and analyze specific questions regarding the properties of unions of subspaces and the span of a set of vectors.

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  • One participant presents a question about the union of two subspaces \(U_1\) and \(U_2\) in \(\mathbb{R}^2\) and seeks clarification on why their union is not a subspace.
  • Another participant outlines the claims made in the solution regarding the properties of \(U_1\), \(U_2\), and their union, prompting the original poster to specify which aspect they find confusing.
  • A third participant emphasizes the definition of "span" and suggests that the span of the set \(S\) is indeed \(\mathbb{R}^2\), arguing that any vector in \(\mathbb{R}^2\) can be expressed as a linear combination of vectors from \(S\).
  • One participant expresses concern that the original poster may not fully understand the definitions of "union" and "subspace," suggesting that the union is not closed under vector operations.
  • The original poster later expresses relief after gaining clarity on the concept of subspace, indicating a shift in their understanding.

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Participants generally agree on the definitions and properties of subspaces and spans, but there is some disagreement regarding the clarity of these concepts for the original poster. The discussion reflects varying levels of understanding among participants.

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Some participants suggest that the original poster may not have fully grasped the definitions of key terms, which could affect their understanding of the problems presented. There is also an indication that the original poster's confusion stems from the application of these definitions in the context of the questions.

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Hi, I have read my notes and understand the theory, but I am having trouble understanding the following questions which are already solved (I am giving the answers as well).

The first question says:

Let U_{1} and U_{2} be subspaces of a vector space V. Give an example (say in V=\Re^{2}) to show that the union U_{1}\bigcup U_{2} need not be a subspace of V.

And the answer is:

Take U_{1}=\{(x_{1}, x_{2})\in\Re^{2}:x_{2}=0\} and U_{2}=\{(x_{1}, x_{2})\in\Re^{2}:x_{1}=0\}

So I really don't understand this answer... I would really appreciate it if someone could explain it to me.


And the second question says:

Let S be the set of all vectors (x_{1}, x_{2}) in \Re^{2} such that x_{1}=1. What is the span of S?

And the answer is:

span S = \Re^{2} because (x_{1}, x_{2})=x_{1}(1, x^{-1}_{1}x_{2}) when x_{1}\neq 0 and (x_{1}, x_{2})=(1, 0)-(1, -x_{2}) when x_{1}=0.

So I don't understand this explanation, mainly because I thought that x_{1} is supposed to be 1... :/

Sorry if the questions sound silly, and thanks for any help you can give me! :)
 
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For the first one: what don't you understand?? The solution claims three things:

1) U1 is a subspace of \mathbb{R}^2
2) U2 is a subspace of \mathbb{R}^2
3) U_1\cup U_2 is not a subspace of \mathbb{R}^2

Which of these three points is bothering you??

For the second one: A typical vector in S is (1,a) for a arbitrary. We are interesting in whether the span of S is \mathbb{R}^2.
The span is all linear combinations of elements of S. Thus if we claim that the span of S is \mathbb{R}^2, then we actually claim that each vector in \mathbb{R}^2 is a linear combination of elements in S. Can you find such a linear combination?
 
It looks like you haven't really studied the definitions of the terms you're using, in particular "span". The span of S is the set of all linear combinations of members of S. So it's almost obvious that span S=ℝ2. To prove it, it's sufficient to show that an arbitrary member of ℝ2 can be written as ax+by, where a and b are real numbers, and x and y are members of S. (Actually, this proves that ℝ2 is a subset of span S, but since it's obvious that span S is a subset of ℝ2, this is what we need to conclude that span S=ℝ2).

The first question makes me wonder if you understand the terms "union" and "subspace". It should be pretty obvious that the union isn't closed under the vector space operations (addition and scalar multiplication).

(I actually wrote this before micromass wrote his reply above, but my brother who is visiting me this week pulled me away from the computer for a while).
 
Thanks a lot, I feel like a retard now... I got very confused with the concept of subspace. I do understand it now though and it seems easy, so all the other problems make sense :)
 

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