Question on the 2-dim representation of the Lorentz group

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The discussion revolves around the representation of the Lorentz group in the context of Weyl spinors, specifically examining the dimensionality of these representations and the implications for Lorentz transformations. Participants explore the algebraic structure of the Lorentz group, the role of SU(2) factors, and the nature of transformations applicable to Weyl spinors.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the Lorentz algebra can be identified as two SU(2) algebras, leading to the conclusion that the representation dimension can be expressed as (2s1 + 1)(2s2 + 1).
  • Another participant explains that the transformation of a left-handed Weyl spinor remains invariant under a specific subgroup of the Lorentz group, involving complex parameters.
  • It is mentioned that the angular momentum generators can be expressed in terms of the generators of the two SU(2) algebras, leading to a specific formulation for the (1/2, 0) representation.
  • One participant raises a question about the existence of a Lorentz transformation with a representation of (1, 1/2) and how to reconcile the dimensions of the generators.
  • Another participant confirms the existence of such a transformation, referring to it as 'half' of a Rarita-Schwinger spinor and provides a calculation for the dimension of the spinor space.
  • A later reply questions the implications of using a reducible representation for the lower spin dimensions and whether the choice of representation matters.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the dimensionality of representations and the nature of transformations. There is no consensus on the significance of using reducible representations or the specific choices of parameters in Lorentz transformations.

Contextual Notes

Some statements rely on assumptions about the nature of the representations and the algebraic structure of the Lorentz group, which may not be universally agreed upon. The discussion includes complex parameterization and the implications of different spin representations, which remain unresolved.

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Hello! I'm currently reading some QFT and have passed the concept of Weyl spinors 2-4 times but this time it didn't make that much sense..
We can identify the Lorentz algebra as two su(2)'s. Hence from QM I'm convinced that the representation of the Lorentz algebra can be of dimension (2s_1 + 1)(2s_2 + 1).
The Weyl spinor is two dimensional so it's either a (s_1, s_2) = (1/2, 0) or a (0,1/2) representation (i.e. left or right handed).

But it then seems (since one representation of the su(2)s is the trivial) as if I only need to specify three parameters when lorentz transforming my Weyl spinors.. What happened to my choice of three rotations and three boosts?


Thanks! :)
 
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Kontilera said:
But it then seems (since one representation of the su(2)s is the trivial) as if I only need to specify three parameters when lorentz transforming my Weyl spinors.. What happened to my choice of three rotations and three boosts?
But they are three complex parameters. The SU(2) factorization of the Lorentz group involves the complex generators J ± iK. A Weyl spinor remains invariant under one of these subgroups.

Specifically, the infinitesimal transformation of a left-handed spinor is (Peskin & Schroeder, p44)

ψL → (1 - iθ·σ/2 - β·σ/2) ψL

where θ is a rotation and β is a Lorentz boost. Individually they change ψL, and any real combination of them changes ψL, but a complex combination of them leaves ψL invariant.
 
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Another way to say the same thing is to let ##\vec A## be the generators for one of the SU(2)'s and ##\vec B## be the generators for the other SU(2). Then the angular momentum generators are ##\vec J=\vec A +\vec B## and the boost generators are ##\vec K=i(\vec A-\vec B)##. For the (1/2,0) rep, ##\vec A=\vec\sigma/2## and ##\vec B=0##. Then ##\vec J =\vec\sigma/2## and ##\vec K=i\vec\sigma/2##.
 
Yeah, I with you. The su(3) has three generators... but the relation above gives me six generators and that is what I can work with. :)
Or equivalently, I work with three generators but they now span a complex vectorspace, hence my coefficients amount to six degrees of freedom.

Thanks.
 
Does it exists a Loretnz transformation such as (1, 1/2) ? In that case, have do we make A and B to same dimension?
 
Kontilera said:
Does it exists a Loretnz transformation such as (1, 1/2) ? In that case, have do we make A and B to same dimension?

Of course there is. It's 'half' of a Rarita-Schwinger spinor. The dimension of the spinor space is (2x1+1)(2x1/2+1) = 6.
 
dextercioby said:
Of course there is. It's 'half' of a Rarita-Schwinger spinor. The dimension of the spinor space is (2x1+1)(2x1/2+1) = 6.


Haha. But what about the dimension? I guess we use a reducible rep for the lower s_i? Does it matter which one we choose?
 

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