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The discussion focuses on the axiomatization of 'Identity' as presented in Van Dalen's "Logic and Structure." Participants analyze the implications of treating 'Identity' as a binary predicate versus axiomatizing it, specifically addressing the provability of axioms I2, I3, and I4. The conversation highlights that while the symbol for identity remains a binary predicate, the axioms provide a framework for understanding identity's role in semantics and derivability relations, particularly in the context of formal logic.

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  • Understanding of formal logic and axiomatization
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  • Knowledge of predicate symbols and their roles in logic
  • Basic comprehension of derivability relations ($\vdash$) and semantics ($\models$)
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  • Study the implications of axiomatizing identity in formal logic
  • Examine the proofs of axioms I1, I2, I3, and I4 in Van Dalen's work
  • Research the concept of axiom schemes and their applications in logic
  • Explore the relationship between semantics and syntactic derivability in formal systems
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Hi all;
Look at the attached part from Van Dalen's Logic and structure.
What is he doing exactly?
In axiomatizing 'Identity' as he does, what is gained rather than what we had before (i.e., looking at 'Identity' as a binary predicate)?!
Even in the axioms, he is again using a symbol in the language for identity as a binary predicate (i.e., = ) and then he proves the axioms (or says they are provable) in the language. [note that he also proves I3 and I4 that i haven't shown.]
Thanks.
 

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Mathelogician said:
Hi all;
Look at the attached part from Van Dalen's Logic and structure.
What is he doing exactly?
In axiomatizing 'Identity' as he does, what is gained rather than what we had before (i.e., looking at 'Identity' as a binary predicate)?!
Even in the axioms, he is again using a symbol in the language for identity as a binary predicate (i.e., = ) and then he proves the axioms (or says they are provable) in the language. [note that he also proves I3 and I4 that i haven't shown.]
Thanks.

The axiom I4 is rather an axiom sceme ,because for each "t" and for each "φ" we a corresponding axiom.

Axioms I2 and I3 can be proved using axioms I1 and I4
 
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Of course they are axiom schemes; but I'm afraid my question is something else!
Thanks.
 
When we are talking about semantics (i.e., $\models$), this section may be considered just as an observation that identity satisfies these axioms. The importance of the axioms comes when we consider the derivability relation $\vdash$ (Definition 1.4.2). Then we have to use special axioms or inference rules to say that $=$ is not just an arbitrary predicate symbol.

solakis said:
Axioms I2 and I3 can be proved using axioms I1 and I4
This is true. It is given as an exercise later in the text. The term version of $I_4$ can also be proved from the formula version.
 

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