Question on the Derivation of Temperature/Scale Factor Relation

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the temperature relation T(t) ∝ a(t)-1 as presented in 'Introduction to Cosmology' by Barbara Ryden. Participants are exploring the application of the first law of thermodynamics in cosmology, specifically focusing on the mathematical steps leading to the relation between temperature and the scale factor of the universe.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an equation relating the rate of change of temperature to the volume of the universe and its expansion, but struggles to derive a specific relation (2.38) from it.
  • Another participant points out the omission of the chain rule in the derivation, suggesting that including it will clarify the steps leading to the desired result.
  • A third participant provides a transformation of the volume relation to logarithmic form, showing how it connects to the temperature relation and confirms the equivalence of the equations involved.
  • A later reply expresses gratitude for the clarification, indicating a realization of a previous oversight.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the derivation process initially, but there is agreement on the importance of the chain rule in the calculations. The discussion remains focused on clarifying the mathematical steps rather than establishing a definitive conclusion.

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Some assumptions regarding the definitions of volume and scale factor are implied but not explicitly stated. The discussion also reflects uncertainty in the manipulation of logarithmic expressions and their derivatives.

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In 'Introduction to Cosmology' by Barbara Ryden, there is an argument made using the first law of thermodynamics to derive the relation T(t) ∝ a(t)-1 on pages 29 and 30.
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I've been able to work out all the omitted details up to 2.37, which gives the following relation:

$$ \frac{1}{T} \frac{dT}{dt} = - \frac{1}{3V} \frac{dV}{dt}$$

She informs the reader that since V ∝ a(t)3, the rate of change of the photons' temperature is related to the rate of expansion of the universe by the following relation (2.38):

$$ \frac{d}{dt} (ln\,T) = - \frac{d}{dt} (ln\,a) $$

I'm running into a little difficulty seeing how she arrives at 2.38. Here's my attempt getting there from 2.37:

$$ \frac{d}{dt} (\frac{dT}{T}) = -\frac{1}{3V} (\frac{d}{dt}\, a(t)^3)$$

$$ \frac{d}{dt} (\frac{dT}{T}) = -\frac{1}{3a(t)^3} ( 3a(t)^2)$$

$$ \frac{d}{dt} (\frac{dT}{T}) = -\frac{1}{a(t)}$$

$$ \frac{d}{dt} (\int \frac{dT}{T}) = -\frac{1}{a(t)}$$

$$ \frac{d}{dt} (ln\,T) = -\frac{1}{a(t)}$$

I can't seem to get the d/dt piece on the right-hand side like at the top of my post. I thought maybe I could pull out the d/dt from the expression, like the following:

$$- \frac{1}{3V} \frac{dV}{dt} = -\frac{1}{3} \frac{d}{dt}(\frac{dV}{V})$$

But that doesn't seem to net me the a(t)-1 result like my original path did. Is there some simple mistake I'm making in my calculations here? Additionally, is the negative sign "absorbed" into the proportionality expression? It doesn't seem to make much sense that I'm left with a negative sign in what I'm doing, since the scale factor never has a negative value.

Thank you very much for your time and any assistance you may be able to provide.
 
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You left out the chain rule on the second step.
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$$ \frac{d}{dt} (\frac{dT}{T}) = -\frac{1}{3V} (\frac{d}{dt}\, a(t)^3)$$

The far right term simplifies to:

$${d \over dt} a(t)^3 = 3 a(t)^2 {da \over dt}$$

Leaving the chain rule expansion in place should make the rest of the derivation fall into place nicely.
 
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##V \propto a(t)^3 \iff V = k a(t)^3## for some constant ##k \iff \ln V = \ln k + 3 \ln a##
So $$\frac {d}{dt} (\ln V) = 3 \frac {d}{dt} (\ln a)$$
Equation (2.37) says
$$\frac{1}{T} \frac{dT}{dt} = -\frac{1}{3V}\frac{dV}{dt}$$
which is equivalent to
$$\frac{d}{dt} (\ln T) = -\frac{1}{3} \frac{d}{dt} (\ln V) = -\left ( \frac{1}{3}\right ) 3 \frac {d}{dt} (\ln a) = -\frac{d}{dt} (\ln a)$$
 
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You two are awesome, I can't believe I missed that. Thank you very much!
 

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