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The discussion revolves around the concept of universality classes in statistical physics, specifically regarding the critical exponents of models like the Ising model when applied to different lattice structures and dimensions. Participants explore how changes in lattice geometry and dimensionality affect critical exponents and the implications for universality classes.

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Main Points Raised

  • Mavi questions whether critical exponents of the Ising model on a 2D triangular lattice fall within the same universality class as those on a 3D cubic lattice.
  • Mavi notes that changing the dimensionality of the lattice alters the critical exponents for the same model and refines the question to whether changing lattice structure (e.g., square to triangle) affects the exponents within a given dimension.
  • Mavi speculates that the continuum or lattice limit should yield the same critical exponents due to scaling invariance, questioning the validity of this reasoning.
  • Another participant suggests that for the ferromagnetic Ising model, the lattice structure may not significantly impact the critical exponents, but acknowledges that this is not guaranteed and highlights the dependence of antiferromagnetic models on lattice geometry.
  • This participant challenges Mavi's assumption that a model on any lattice with fixed dimensionality will always reach the same long-distance limit, pointing out the complexities involved in the coarse graining procedure.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the impact of lattice structure on critical exponents, with some suggesting it may not matter while others emphasize the complexities and potential dependencies involved. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the extent to which lattice geometry influences universality classes.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in their reasoning, particularly regarding assumptions about coarse graining and the justification of approximations in deriving long-distance behavior from lattice models.

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Hi

When a particular model (say Ising) is solved on a particular lattice (say 2D triangular), do the critical exponents of the same model fall within the same universality class (have same critical exponents) as when solved on a different lattice (say 3D cubic)?

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Mavi
 
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I found out one part of the answer: changing the dimensionality of the lattice will change the critical exponents for the same model (say Ising). So the modified question would be whether the exponents change while changing the lattice structure (say square to triangle) for the same model in a given dimension?

Mavi
 
Guessing another part of the answer: it seems that since the continuum limit or the lattice limit must yield the same critical exponents (due to scaling invariance after graining), the lattice structure itself must not matter for the exponents. I wonder if this reasoning is correct.

Mavi
 
For the ferromagnetic Ising model case, outside of the dimensionality, it would be fair to assume that the lattice does not matter. There is no guarantee on this though. For a dramatic example, it should be fairly clear that the physical properties of an antiferromagnetic Ising model with be strongly dependent on the lattice geometry.

The problem with your argument is that you are assuming that given a model on an arbitrary lattice (with fixed dimensionality) you'll always arrive at the same long distance limit. It is difficult to show such a thing directly from a given model, mostly since the coarse graining procedure must done within some approximation (which may or may not be justified).
 

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