Question regarding Beta-voltaic cells and their efficiency

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The discussion revolves around the efficiency of beta-voltaic cells, exploring the reasons behind their low conversion efficiency and potential methods for improvement. Participants consider the impact of the speed of incident electrons and the use of sensitizing dyes as a technique to enhance performance.

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  • One participant questions whether the inefficiency of beta-voltaic cells is due to the high speed of incident electrons, suggesting that slowing them down might improve conversion efficiency.
  • Another participant requests a source for the claim regarding the inefficiency of beta-voltaic cells, indicating difficulty in finding the original research.
  • A third participant provides a link to a study discussing the low conversion efficiency of beta-voltaic cells and introduces the concept of using sensitizing dyes to potentially improve performance.
  • A later reply seeks clarification on whether using a "sensitive" material would improve efficiency and questions the effect of altering the speed of incident electrons.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the relationship between electron speed and efficiency, and there is no consensus on whether slowing down the electrons would lead to improved performance. The discussion includes competing views on the effectiveness of sensitizing dyes.

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Participants reference a specific study but do not provide detailed information on the methodology or results, leaving some assumptions and definitions unclear.

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Why are beta voltaic cells so inefficient? Is it because the incident electrons are incredibly fast? According to a research, the incident electrons that get absorbed by the voltaic material are so fast that most of their energy is wasted as phonon and sonic energy. If we substantially slow down the electrons; will the conversion efficiency rise? If yes, how slow should they be? And by how much will the efficiency rise?
 
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andrew_bak said:
According to a research
Can you post a link? Thanks.
 
berkeman said:
Can you post a link? Thanks.
I googled through dozens of posts to find that claim. I don't recall exactly which one. It would be difficult for me to find the corresponding link.
 
I did a Google search of the first sentence of your first post above, and after accepting Google's suggestion of making betavoltaic one word, this was the first hit on the list:

https://phys.org/news/2020-09-betavoltaic-technology-dyes-energy-production.html
One of the alternatives that could potentially be the answer to these problems is the "betavoltaic cell." These cells are a type of power source akin to photovoltaic cells that, instead of producing an electric current by capturing visible or ultraviolet light, creates electricity using a type of radiation (beta decay) generated internally by a radioactive material. The biggest issue with existing betavoltaic cells is their low conversion efficiency. This means that only a very tiny portion of the emitted radiation can be converted into electric energy.

In a recent study published in Chemical Communications and selected as the cover image of its July issue, scientists from Daegu Gyeongbuk Institute of Science and Technology (DGIST) in Korea, led by Prof Su-Il In, explore a new technique to boost the performance of betavoltaic cells. To achieve this, they took a page from a technique previously used in photovoltaic cells: sensitizing dyes. In the proposed betavoltaic cell, the electrons in ruthenium-based dye used are "sensitive" to the beta radiation emitted by the radioactive source material. This means that electrons in the dye are more easily excited into higher energy states, making it easier for them to then jump from the dye to the material on the other pole of the battery, thus completing a circuit.
 
berkeman said:
I did a Google search of the first sentence of your first post above, and after accepting Google's suggestion of making betavoltaic one word, this was the first hit on the list:

https://phys.org/news/2020-09-betavoltaic-technology-dyes-energy-production.html
I see. So basically, by using a "sensitive" material would improve efficiency and altering the speed of the incident electrons has no effect? Thank you.
 
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