Question regarding binomial theorem.

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The discussion revolves around the expansion of the expression (√2 + 1)6, where the original poster aims to separate the integer and fractional parts of the result. The problem is situated within the context of the binomial theorem and involves competitive-level mathematics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the expansion of (√2 + 1)6 using the binomial theorem, with some questioning the accuracy of the original poster's expansion. There are suggestions to reconsider the integral and fractional parts of the result, as well as the implications of approximating √2.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided hints regarding the need to correctly identify the integral and fractional parts of the expansion. There is an acknowledgment of the potential for multiple interpretations of the problem, particularly concerning the approximation of √2 and its effect on the final answer.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of the competitive nature of the question, which may impose additional constraints on the approach taken. Participants also note the importance of understanding the definitions of the integral and fractional parts in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement



(√2 + 1)6 = I + f

Where I is the sum of integer part of the expansion of (√2 + 1)6 and f is sum of the fraction part in (√2 + 1)6.

Homework Equations



(x+1)n = nC0 xn + nC1 xn-1 + nC2 xn-2 + ... + nCn

nCn = nC0 = 1

The Attempt at a Solution



I expanded (√2 + 1)6 , then simplified and then got the expression 44+99√2/2.
Then I got I=44 which was not even the correct answer. The correct was 197. This question is a competitive level question.

Thanks in advance... :smile:
 
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Hi sankalp :smile:

The answer you get is incomplete. The second term also has an integral and fractional part itself. You need to add them to get your answer :wink:

Another way to see it is that f is defined to be between 0 and 1, so is your fractional part between zero and one?PS : Your expansion itself seems incorrect to me. Recheck it.
 
Infinitum said:
Hi sankalp :smile:

The answer you get is incomplete. The second term also has an integral and fractional part itself. You need to add them to get your answer :wink:

Another way to see it is that f is defined to be between 0 and 1, so is your fractional part between zero and one?


PS : Your expansion itself seems incorrect to me. Recheck it.
Hii Infinitum! :smile:

One way to do is to seriously find (√2 + 1)6. But that will be a noob way.

Ok , so on expanding , I get :

(√2 + 1)6 = 6C0 8 + 6C1 4√2 + 6C2 4 + 6C32√2 + 6C4 2 + 6C5 √2 + 6C6

Now on solving , I get (√2 + 1)6 = 99+ 70√2
I + f = 99+ 70√2

Now what else can I do ? Any hint ?
 
sankalpmittal said:
Hii Infinitum! :smile:

One way to do is to seriously find (√2 + 1)6. But that will be a noob way.

Ok , so on expanding , I get :

(√2 + 1)6 = 6C0 8 + 6C1 4√2 + 6C2 4 + 6C32√2 + 6C4 2 + 6C5 √2 + 6C6

Now on solving , I get (√2 + 1)6 = 99+ 70√2
I + f = 99+ 70√2

Now what else can I do ? Any hint ?

Yep. That sounds correct. Now you can use the approximate value of √2 to multiply, and hence get the integral part of the expansion.

Hint : You only need to use 1.41 as your approximation, as any more digits will not change effect the integral part :wink:
 
Infinitum said:
Yep. That sounds correct. Now you can use the approximate value of √2 to multiply, and hence get the integral part of the expansion.

Did not recognize that this was so simple...

99+ 70√2

99+ 70(1.41)
I = 99+98 = 197 !

Awesome! :smile:

Edit : All right , thanks for the efforts...
 
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The method your professor uses can be applied in general to all such problems, so it is good in its own right. The one I suggest requires that you know the value of √2, which is frequently used and known. What about when it is √327? You would have to first find the square root, then approximate.
 

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