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The discussion revolves around the nature of writing proofs, specifically focusing on the categorization of proofs within the framework of rules of inference, and the importance of symbolic logical statements in proof writing. Participants explore whether proofs can be classified under specific rules, the role of various proof techniques, and the applicability of these concepts across different disciplines.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether proofs can be categorized strictly by rules of inference or if they often do not adhere to any specific rules.
  • One participant suggests that while basic rules of inference serve as foundational elements, complex proofs often rely on smaller theorems and lemmas, which may not fit neatly into the proposed categories.
  • Another participant mentions proof by induction and proof by contradiction as additional methods, indicating that axioms can sometimes be applied directly, though this is not universally applicable.
  • A participant expresses the opinion that formal proof writing is more challenging than informal proofs, suggesting a familiarity with informal methods is beneficial for understanding formal approaches.
  • In a follow-up, a participant seeks clarification on how to categorize various rules of inference, such as Disjunctive Syllogism and others, questioning their classification as proof types or methodologies within proofs.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the categorization of proofs and rules of inference. Multiple competing views are presented regarding the nature and structure of proofs, indicating an unresolved discussion.

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Participants express uncertainty about the applicability of rules of inference across different disciplines and the potential limitations of formal proof structures. There are also unresolved questions regarding the classification of specific inference rules.

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A few questions about proof writing.
I have a couple general questions regarding writing proofs:
  1. Do proofs typically fall into being one out of all of the rules of inference (page 6-7 on this pdf)
  2. or is it that generally, most proofs may categorically qualify within a very small subset of the rules of inference (say “many common proofs are generally modus ponens or hypothetical syllogism”)
  3. or is it possible that many proofs may not use any rules at all?

And if yes to 1 and/or 2, is it important for a newcomer proof writer to begin by always decomposing into symbolic logical statements (akin to the format seen on: pg 6-7 middle column “tautology”) and then consciously apply a rule of inference (like they do on page 20-21 on this pdf)? https://www.site.uottawa.ca/~lucia/courses/2101-10/lecturenotes/04InferenceRulesProofMethods.pdf

I'm trying to understand are 1 and 2 generally implicit in proofs or is it that 1 and 2 are typically techniques used for propositional and predicate logic and might not even apply depending on the discipline?

Thank you for any help.
 
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I don't think you can categorize proof in that way. Of course, when you first learn about geometric proofs you are taught the rules of inference and various methods of proof that can be used as the proof basis ie the rules of inference are the atomic building blocks of proofs and the methods are the cookbook recipes used to structure the proof.

However, as proofs get more and more complex you find that they are broken down into smaller theorems and lemmas that are proved independently and are then used to prove the bigger statement.

These smaller proofs may be divided into still smaller ones until you have the smallest ones will use those proof strategies you first learned.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_proof

I don't think anyone has ever categorized proofs in the way you are thinking. Erdos was fond of saying that there is a book kept by GOd with all the most elegant proofs. Some of his colleagues put together a book with the Erdos title.

The Book

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proofs_from_THE_BOOK

and this article on writing proofs:

https://deopurkar.github.io/teaching/algebra1/cheng.pdf
 
There is also proof by induction and proof by contradiction to name a couple. Sometimes axioms can just be directly applied, but that is not always the case.
 
Munnu said:
Summary:: A few questions about proof writing.

I have a couple general questions regarding writing proofs:
  1. Do proofs typically fall into being one out of all of the rules of inference (page 6-7 on this pdf)
  2. or is it that generally, most proofs may categorically qualify within a very small subset of the rules of inference (say “many common proofs are generally modus ponens or hypothetical syllogism”)
  3. or is it possible that many proofs may not use any rules at all?

And if yes to 1 and/or 2, is it important for a newcomer proof writer to begin by always decomposing into symbolic logical statements (akin to the format seen on: pg 6-7 middle column “tautology”) and then consciously apply a rule of inference (like they do on page 20-21 on this pdf)? https://www.site.uottawa.ca/~lucia/courses/2101-10/lecturenotes/04InferenceRulesProofMethods.pdf

I'm trying to understand are 1 and 2 generally implicit in proofs or is it that 1 and 2 are typically techniques used for propositional and predicate logic and might not even apply depending on the discipline?

Thank you for any help.
Just an opinion, but this formal approach is much harder than informal (natural) proofs. Unless you are familiar with informal mathematical proofs, then material will be hard to digest.

It's like the difference between numerical algebra and abstract algebra. It's a lot easier to grasp group theory and the theory of rings if you are already familiar with the algebra of numbers and functions and trigonometry.
 
As a follow-up, I have a question regarding Rules of Inference in Propositional Logic.

In referencing pg 6-7 of this link: (https://www.site.uottawa.ca/~lucia/courses/2101-10/lecturenotes/04InferenceRulesProofMethods.pdf), I’ve come to qualify Modus Ponens and Modus Tollens as “kinds of proofs” (direct and contrapositive), and then categorize Hypothetical Syllogism as a methodology or tool in order to prove a proposition that’s in the form of one of the two above proof types.

I don’t know what to categorize Disjunctive Syllogism, Addition, Simplification, Conjunction, and Resolution as (pg 6-7). I’m unsure if these would fall under one of those two categories: “proof types” vs “method within a proof to help prove a proof” or if they fall under a separate category.

Thank you for any help.
 

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