Question (with solution) which I don't understand (statics)

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The discussion revolves around understanding the application of trigonometric functions (sine and cosine) in resolving forces in a statics problem. Participants are exploring how to correctly identify and apply these functions based on the angles and components of the forces involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • The original poster expresses confusion about how sine and cosine are determined in the context of the given problem, despite knowing the SOHCAHTOA rule.
  • One participant explains that for vector T, the adjacent side of the 40-degree angle corresponds to the x-axis, leading to the horizontal component being T cos 40.
  • Another participant notes that for vector C, the adjacent side of the 20-degree angle is the y-axis, resulting in the vertical component being C cos 20.
  • The original poster seeks further clarification on how to visualize the problem and when to use sine versus cosine in their calculations.
  • A suggestion is made to draw the triangles on the diagram to better understand the relationships between the angles and the components of the vectors.

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Participants appear to agree on the need to understand the relationship between angles and their corresponding components, but the original poster's confusion indicates that there is still uncertainty regarding the application of these concepts.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the importance of visualizing the problem and understanding the definitions of adjacent and opposite sides in relation to the angles involved. There are no resolved mathematical steps or definitive conclusions presented.

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Homework Statement


Calculation of the forces C and T in the figure

http://www.picpaste.com/20140127_171733-lxIN0kJQ.jpg
http://www.picpaste.com/20140127_171733-lxIN0kJQ.jpg

My problem is that I don't understand how cos and sin is given
I know the rules SOHCAHTOA



Homework Equations


Equations used are
Sum of Fx= 0
and Sum of Fy = 0


The Attempt at a Solution



As this is an example from my coursework material, it is already solved. But I want to understand it there for I will present the solution

Sum of Fx = 0

8+Tcos40 + Csin20 - 16 = 0
0,766T+0,342C=8

Sum of Fy = 0

Tsin40-Ccos20-3=0
0,643T-0,940C = 3

By combining the both equations we can solve for C and T

Answer is T = 9,09 kn and C = 3,03 kn

So basically my question is how are cos and sin given? yeah i know its a triangle
and I know of SOH CAH TOA rule.. but i don't seem to grasp it when in this Picture

Actually as I am used to see a problem I first

draw a triangle for example for the 40 degree one, sometimes i divide a resultant force into two composants

I see that T = hypotenuse
Then I look at the adjacent side, and normally there is a variable there which is present without a value that I want to be solved.. Now in this problem 8 isn't used as a value. Normally I would divide T into Tx and Ty, and draw to triangles.


So how should I look at this problem now?

how do i know its sin i will use respectively cos... if someone could explain it It would be very kind of you . how should I Think? B]

I Believe in this problem I am not supposed to divide into two composants, but i want to know how they decide "when to use cos resp sin"
 
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You have to master which side of the angle is adjacent to the angle and which is opposite the angle.

For vector T, the adjacent side of the 40 degree angle is the x-axis, so the horizontal component is T cos 40.

For vector C, the adjacent side of the 20 degree angle is the y-axis, so the vertical component is C cos 20.
 
Sum of Fx = 0

8+Tcos40 + Csin20 - 16 = 0
0,766T+0,342C=8

Sum of Fy = 0

Tsin40-Ccos20-3=0
0,643T-0,940C = 3


could you show me somehow?
 
Draw out the triangles on the diagram. That way, you will be able to see how the sin and cos relationships correspond to the horizontal and vertical components of the different vectors.
 

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