Questioning Honesty: What To Do When Both Sides are Right

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The discussion revolves around the complexities of honesty in situations where two parties hold equally valid but opposing viewpoints. Participants explore the implications of expressing personal opinions, the potential consequences of honesty, and the social dynamics involved in navigating such dilemmas.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that expressing one's own opinion may be necessary, regardless of potential backlash from either party.
  • Others propose that acknowledging the inevitability of disagreements among reasonable people can help mitigate tensions.
  • A viewpoint emphasizes the importance of brutal honesty, particularly in relationships, advocating for transparency even in uncomfortable situations.
  • Some participants highlight the social dilemmas involved, indicating that there is often a right and wrong answer, even if it may upset one party.
  • There are differing opinions on the value of absolute honesty, with some arguing it can be painful for both the recipient and the truth-teller.
  • One participant humorously suggests a tactful approach to honesty, while another expresses concern about the implications of being surrounded by insincerity.
  • A later reply suggests that when both parties are equally correct, one should aim to bridge the differences between them.

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Participants express a range of views on the topic, with no clear consensus on the best approach to take in situations where both parties are right. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific scenarios, such as personal relationships and social dilemmas, which may influence their perspectives on honesty and tact. The discussion includes humor and personal anecdotes, reflecting varied experiences and attitudes towards the topic.

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How honest can you be, i found myself in a situation where if i said anything i would be in the wrong withe one party or the other, yet if i said nothing i would still be in the wrong.
If each party was equally right in their point of view what should one do?
 
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wolram said:
If each party was equally right in their point of view what should one do?
Either run like hell or just express your own opinion. If one or both of them are going to get pissed off at you, that's their problem rather than yours.
 
wolram said:
How honest can you be, i found myself in a situation where if i said anything i would be in the wrong withe one party or the other, yet if i said nothing i would still be in the wrong.
If each party was equally right in their point of view what should one do?

You could start by assuring them that it's expected that reasonable people will disagree with each other from time to time. And if friendships were ended based on those occasional disagreements, it would eventually end all friendships. You might add something like, I hope none of us are so short-sighted we would behave that way.

Then state your case.
 
I tend to side with always telling the truth. Brutally so, even in relationships. In the end, I figure if I respect them, that's the least I should do.

Thus, I'd come clean to both of them. Preferably in the same room, unless there was some act of passion involved (affair etc). You can't do anything but present the facts, and ask for their thoughts. There's a chance it'll become heated, if so, don't chase either of them. Just let them sort out their feelings in peace, and re-approach at a later date.

Chances are, if the truth blind-sides them, they're going to feel a bit uncomfortable.

Cheers
 
wolram said:
How honest can you be, i found myself in a situation where if i said anything i would be in the wrong withe one party or the other, yet if i said nothing i would still be in the wrong.
If each party was equally right in their point of view what should one do?

Let me guess. Your wife just bought a new dress, put it on to model for you and asked the loaded question " Does this dress make my butt look fat?", while at the same time in the room is her mother, your mother-in-law, who by chance just hours before in the kitchen with you stated that she it is imperative that she have your support in getting her daughter to loose some weight for health reasons, whether or not true, and you agree in a halfheartedly fashion which your mother-in-law will condider binding.
You seem to be in a pickle sir!
 
HayleySarg said:
Thus, I'd come clean to both of them. Preferably in the same room, unless there was some act of passion involved (affair etc).

Hmm, that could be interesting :smile:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuFScoO4tb0
 
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256bits said:
Let me guess. Your wife just bought a new dress, put it on to model for you and asked the loaded question " Does this dress make my butt look fat?", while at the same time in the room is her mother, your mother-in-law, who by chance just hours before in the kitchen with you stated that she it is imperative that she have your support in getting her daughter to loose some weight for health reasons, whether or not true, and you agree in a halfheartedly fashion which your mother-in-law will condider binding.
You seem to be in a pickle sir!

Psssh! That's easy!

"Not nearly as fat as when you're naked!"

I'm single, by the way.

But I was married at one time, so I have experience in these things.
 
wolram said:
How honest can you be, i found myself in a situation where if i said anything i would be in the wrong withe one party or the other, yet if i said nothing i would still be in the wrong.
If each party was equally right in their point of view what should one do?
You've almost certainly misunderstood/characterized the situation: there is almost always a right and wrong answer for you, even if either answer will anger one party or the other.
 
wolram said:
How honest can you be, i found myself in a situation where if i said anything i would be in the wrong withe one party or the other, yet if i said nothing i would still be in the wrong.
If each party was equally right in their point of view what should one do?

You say that based on your answer, you will "be in the wrong with" one or the other party in the dispute. This sounds more like a social dilemma than a moral one. As such, it's hard to give a useful solution without more information.
 
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I do whatever that is most likely to let me walk out in one piece
 
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wolram said:
How honest can you be, i found myself in a situation where if i said anything i would be in the wrong withe one party or the other, yet if i said nothing i would still be in the wrong.
If each party was equally right in their point of view what should one do?

Good to always be honest; building a web of lies leads to no good.
 
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Synaptic said:
Good to always be honest; building a web of lies leads to no good.

I don't necessarily agree. Absolute honesty can be painful to the recipient, not to mention the truth teller. Your wife's butt NEVER looks fat, no matter the outfit.
 
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Traz 0 said:
I don't necessarily agree. Absolute honesty can be painful to the recipient, not to mention the truth teller. Your wife's butt NEVER looks fat, no matter the outfit.

Tell that to Abe:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPX2cQP8uoI
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vI3n6A4jUg
 
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Traz 0 said:
I don't necessarily agree. Absolute honesty can be painful to the recipient, not to mention the truth teller. Your wife's butt NEVER looks fat, no matter the outfit.

Something scares me about being in a room of people where everything they say is a cover, or is planned/rehearsed. The faces are complete fabrications, a disguise concealing the horrors that truly lies beneath it, horrors that if not uncovered and extinguished, can lead to unimaginable pain, persecution, and depravity.
 
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Traz 0 said:
I don't necessarily agree. Absolute honesty can be painful to the recipient, not to mention the truth teller. Your wife's butt NEVER looks fat, no matter the outfit.

Depends on the wife I'd imagine. Some of us are capable of rational thought ;)

I'm in the camp of "always tell the whole truth" but with tact. Yes, honey, you're getting a bit fat. Well, a lot fat. Let's make a plan to eat better and walk in the mornings, it'll be better for both of us.
 
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HayleySarg said:
Depends on the wife I'd imagine. Some of us are capable of rational thought ;)

I'm in the camp of "always tell the whole truth" but with tact. Yes, honey, you're getting a bit fat. Well, a lot fat. Let's make a plan to eat better and walk in the mornings, it'll be better for both of us.

That's easy to say if you're not fat, and you don't look fat :redface:

Edit: Aren't I a charmer :-p
 
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Bahaha. I'm a bit fat, but not bad. I'd like to call it well fed >=) And by well fed, I mean, I eat a lot of ramen and eggs and pizza. Heh.

The way I see it, people will find any reason to be offended. Why not give 'em a reason.
 
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Synaptic said:
Something scares me about being in a room of people where everything they say is a cover, or is planned/rehearsed. The faces are complete fabrications, a disguise concealing the horrors that truly lies beneath it, horrors that if not uncovered and extinguished, can lead to unimaginable pain, persecution, and depravity.

LoL! The horror, the HORROR!, of using tact with a loved one!
 
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HayleySarg said:
Depends on the wife I'd imagine. Some of us are capable of rational thought ;)

I'm in the camp of "always tell the whole truth" but with tact. Yes, honey, you're getting a bit fat. Well, a lot fat. Let's make a plan to eat better and walk in the mornings, it'll be better for both of us.

And, "Is it OK if we ever have sex again? Doggie-style? Where I'm looking at your fat ***?"
 
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When either party is equally correct, one should help bridge the differences between them.
 
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256bits said:
Let me guess. Your wife just bought a new dress, put it on to model for you and asked the loaded question " Does this dress make my butt look fat?", while at the same time in the room is her mother, your mother-in-law, who by chance just hours before in the kitchen with you stated that she it is imperative that she have your support in getting her daughter to loose some weight for health reasons, whether or not true, and you agree in a halfheartedly fashion which your mother-in-law will condider binding.
You seem to be in a pickle sir!

Lol, it would be true were i married.
 

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