News Questioning Obama's Critics: Why the Dislike?

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The discussion centers on the intense dislike some individuals have for Obama, prompting questions about the reasons behind such animosity. Critics cite his lack of experience and vague promises of change as significant concerns, while some participants suggest that underlying racism may play a role in the hostility. The conversation also touches on the broader political landscape, with participants expressing frustration over the extreme views held by both supporters and opponents of Obama. Many contributors emphasize that while they may disagree with his policies, they struggle to understand the depth of hatred directed at him. Overall, the thread reflects a complex interplay of political opinion, personal bias, and societal issues.
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Ivan Seeking said:
False. We also have the right to make laws. That's why we have representitives.

Heheh, False. YOU don't have the right to make laws. The congress makes laws. They have to vote on it. Which means YOU, and ME, and that guy you don't like down the street, have to majority support it.

PS: I listen to CSPAN radio every day. The congress is a bunch of IDIOTS. My god they are dumb. Not only are they stupid, they give HORRIBLE HORRIBLE speeches.

I'll never forget one bozo congressman who said "AND THIS BILL WILL SEPARATE THE MEN FROM THE BOYS AND THE GIRLS FROM THE WOMEN"

What a clown. There fools.

They like to hear themselves talk and get money under the table.

Then there's that 1100 page bill no one read and passed. Good greif. What do they do all day - anything?
 
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  • #482
Ivan Seeking said:
Profits are privatized
What does that mean?

Using the word "privatized" implies that you're referring to something that isn't already private. Are you referring to a public or government entity's profits?
 
  • #483
Cyrus said:
Heheh, False. YOU don't have the right to make laws. The congress makes laws. They have to vote on it. Which means YOU, and ME, and that guy you don't like down the street, have to majority support it.

Actually, have you ever heard of a petition and a vote; such as proposition 8 in California? But beyond that, ultimately Congress does answer to the people.

You know that I didn't mean that we pass Federal laws directly as citizens. :rolleyes:
 
  • #484
Al68 said:
What does that mean?

Using the word "privatized" implies that you're referring to something that isn't already private. Are you referring to a public or government entity's profits?

I mean this:

Who made all of the money? A relatively small group of individuals.

Who is now paying for it? All of us. The risk did not reside solely with the individuals who profited; and to the greatest extent, those who engineered this disaster made the most money of all! The bonuses were the ultimate slap in the face in this regard.

As soon as we had companies that were "too big to fail", the free market ceased to exist.
 
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  • #485
Ivan Seeking said:
Actually, have you ever heard of a petition and a vote; such as proposition 8 in California? But beyond that, ultimately Congress does answer to the people.

You know that I didn't mean that we pass Federal laws directly as citizens. :rolleyes:

Please, listen to CSPAN radio for a week if you can stomach it. The congress is full of clowns. I don't mean that lightly either. They really are a bunch of stupid folks. They use catch phrases all day long. They love to use them to the point of absurdity. And they use stupid folksy analogies. So if the crisis is like a guy going to his car and the car is full of gunpowder ready to explode, why would he have a stick of dyno-mite in his pocket?

Well, its more like he was driving an ox-cart and the wheel was loose but he decided to go fast into the pot hole.

Well, if the road has pot holes why is he driving the car??

...well you see, its like the car is out of gas but keeps rolling.

<Head Explodes>

Im not making this up. They REALLY do BS like this all day long.

Oh yeah, and the love to "reach across the isle". I guess they high five each other when they reach across. No wait, they're just exchanging money.
 
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Ivan Seeking said:
I mean this:

Who made all of the money? A relatively small group of individuals.

Who is now paying for it? All of us. The risk did not reside solely with the individuals who profited; and to the greatest extent, those who engineered this disaster made the most money of all! The bonuses were the ultimate slap in the face in this regard.

As soon as we had companies that were "too big to fail", the free market ceased to exist.
I was asking what the phrase "profits are privatized" means. The word "privatize" is a verb. It means to make something private which previously was not. So you must be referring to the profits of some government entity. Which one?

And those that engineered this problem are still in congress, now with even more power than before.
 
  • #487
Ivan Seeking said:
This goes all the way back to Reagan and the notion that markets will act rationally and in their own best interest. We now know this is not true. Markets are driven by short-term gains, and chaos. So it is not a question of regulation or no regulation, it comes down to the essence of markets and how they operate. For example, today, no one in their right mind can argue that AIG was acting rationally, responsibly, or in their own interest. No one can argue that banks betting on an infinite housing bubble were rational. And no one can argue that we have free markets when we have companies that are too big to fail; that can take down the national and global economies...
Government is driven by short-term political gains, and chaos. For example, today, no one in their right mind can argue that the Congress was acting rationally, responsibly. And so on.
 
  • #488
mheslep said:
Government is driven by short-term political gains, and chaos. For example, today, no one in their right mind can argue that the Congress was acting rationally, responsibly. And so on.

We elect political leaders who can be removed by the will of the people. We don't elect CEOs.

Are you arguing that since free-market theory has failed catastrophically - since the Republicans have have nearly destroyed the country through their blind ideology - we should revoke the Constitution?

Democracy is messy. Even the founding fathers knew that. But free-market theory has failed essentially - fundamentally.
 
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Ivan Seeking said:
We elect political leaders who can be removed by the will of the people. We don't elect CEOs.

Are you arguing that since free-market theory has failed catastrophically - since the Republicans have have nearly destroyed the country through their blind ideology - we should revoke the Constitution?

Democracy is messy. Even the founding fathers knew that. But free-market theory has failed essentially - fundamentally.
I was making a point about making wild, completely unsubstantiated statements by doing a simple word swap. The point didn't get through.
 
  • #490
A man-on-the-street TEA Party protestor interviewed by CNN today. [11:10 AM PDT] The man was carrying a picture of Obama made to look like Hitler.

Obama is a fascist!
Why?
Because he is!
Why?
Because we need term limits!
What does that have to do with being a fascist? Why is Obama a fascist?
Because he is!

Okay, moving on now...

Thank God these people are out of power. You don't suppose he watches Fox News...?
 
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