Questions about fats, cholesterol, oxidation, and heart disease

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between fats, cholesterol, oxidation, and heart disease, exploring whether saturated fats are harmful, the conditions under which fats oxidize, and the comparative risks of different types of fats. Participants seek to understand the implications of cooking methods on fat oxidation and heart disease risk.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether saturated fat directly causes atherosclerosis or if oxidized cholesterol is the primary concern, suggesting a possible combination of both factors.
  • There is inquiry into the temperatures required for significant oxidation of cholesterol and saturated fats in various foods, indicating a need for more specific data.
  • Concerns are raised about the health implications of oxidized monounsaturated and polyunsaturated fatty acids compared to saturated fats.
  • One participant notes that cooking can convert unsaturated trans fatty acids to partially saturated trans fatty acids, which have been linked to heart disease.
  • Recent studies are mentioned that associate circulating oxidized phospholipids in LDL cholesterol with heart disease, though the dietary relationship remains unclear.
  • There is a suggestion that while saturated and polyunsaturated fats should be reduced in favor of monounsaturated fats, the evidence is mixed and sometimes conflicting.
  • Another participant points out that there appears to be no established connection between oxidized foods and coronary heart disease, despite concerns about free radicals from charred meats.
  • Discussion includes the complexity of polyunsaturated fats, highlighting that not all are equally beneficial or harmful, depending on their specific types.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the health impacts of saturated fats and the role of cooking in fat oxidation. There is no consensus on the relationship between dietary fats and heart disease, as multiple competing perspectives are presented.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include a lack of specific data on oxidation temperatures and the diverse nature of polyunsaturated fats, which complicates generalizations about their health effects.

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Just have a few questions about the cause of heart disease and oxidation of fats. I am looking for some studies that relate to the questions if possible.

1. Does saturated fat cause atherosclerosis or is it the oxidized cholesterol that usually accompanies it (as in most cooked animal products), or a combination? I'm assuming 'oxidized' saturated fats are less problematic due to their resilience to oxidation, but this is dependent on the following question:
2. What temperatures are needed to cause oxidation of cholesterol and saturated fat at a non-negligable rate in various foods?
3. Are other oxidized fats such as monounsaturated fatty acids and polyunsaturated fatty acids as bad or worse than saturated fats or oxidized cholesterol?

What I am getting at with the first two questions is whether foods high in saturated fat are always bad, or if it is just when they are cooked at high temperatures as they usually are nowdays, which usually causes cholesterol and possibly satfat oxidation?
 
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physicsnnewbie said:
What I am getting at with the first two questions is whether foods high in saturated fat are always bad, or if it is just when they are cooked at high temperatures as they usually are nowdays, which usually causes cholesterol and possibly satfat oxidation?

What cooking does is change unsaturated trans fatty acids (TFAs) to partially saturated (hydrogenated) TFAs. These have been associated with heart disease in many studies which can be found online. Unsaturated TFAs in cooking oils will degrade to partially saturated TFAs at the smoke point. Saturated fats are generally resistant to oxidation and hydrogenation at high cooking temperatures since they are already fully hydrogenated.

Recent studies have shown an association between circulating oxidized phospholipids in LDL cholesterol (oxLDL)and heart disease. The relationship of these to diet remains unknown, As a general rule, saturated fats and polyunsaturated fats should be reduced in the diet in favor of monounsaturated fats.

http://www.exrx.net/Nutrition/Fat.html

http://whatscookingamerica.net/Information/CookingOilTypes.htm

http://www.nutrinfo.com/pagina/info/grasas_trans_uauy_tavella_nutrition.pdf

There's a vast literature on the net on diet and heart disease for both the layman and professional. Some of it is conflicting and confusing. For example, some studies have shown an increase in circulating oxLDL with low fat diets. However, this might be due to decreased uptake of oxLDL by atheromatous lesions in the vascular wall. Despite the state of uncertainty in the knowledge of the pathology, population based studies have consistently shown a decrease in coronary heart disease with diets such as the Mediterranean, which is high in monounsaturated fats.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/mediterranean-diet/CL00011
 
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Thanks, I'll have a look at the links you posted
 
physicsnnewbie said:
Thanks, I'll have a look at the links you posted

You're welcome. I didn't link to articles re oxLDL because there doesn't seem to be any known connection between oxLDL and oxidation of foods. The latter results in the formation of free radicals which pose cancer risks such as with the excessive consumption of charred meats.

Your question was in relation to CHD, so at this point there doesn't seem to be a relation between highly oxidized (rancid at room temerature or charred) foods and CHD. Also, I didn't say much about polyunsaturated fats (PUFAs) because this is a diverse group. Omega-3 FAs are good but high omega-6/omega-3 ratios are bad. Most sources say replacing saturated fats with PUFAs is good but it depends on which PUFAs. Food labels (at least in the US) do not specify specific PUFAs. The following article discusses PUFAs, but there are different opinions.

http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pmed.1000252
 
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