Questions about wave-particle duality

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The discussion revolves around wave-particle duality in quantum physics, specifically focusing on the nature of electromagnetic radiation (EMR) and its characterization as both a wave and a particle. Participants explore theoretical implications and conceptual understandings without reaching definitive conclusions.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how electromagnetic radiation can consist of particles if particles with rest mass require infinite energy to reach the speed of light.
  • Another participant suggests that EMR could oscillate between wave and particle states, proposing that this oscillation might explain the increased visibility of quantum effects at higher frequencies due to more nodes per unit of time.
  • A later reply challenges the oscillation idea, stating that for a plane wave, the probability of finding a photon is constant throughout space, and nodes do not imply a transition between wave and particle states.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of photons as 'packets' of energy, linking the energy of these packets to the frequency of light and suggesting that this might explain the prominence of quantum phenomena at higher frequencies.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of EMR and its duality, with no consensus reached on the oscillation concept or the implications of nodes in wave functions.

Contextual Notes

Some statements rely on specific interpretations of wave functions and probability distributions, which may not be universally accepted or fully resolved within the discussion.

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Please bear with me as I have been reading about quantum physics and, not being a physicist, I have some questions regarding the nature of wave-particle duality.

First of all, according to the special theory of relativity a particle with a rest mass would need infinite energy to accelerate to the speed of light. If this is the case, how is it possible for electromagnetic radiation to consist of particles?

Second, is it possible that instead of EMR being thought of as a wave-particle duality to think of it as oscillating between being a wave and a particle? In other words, can EMR change from a wave state to a particle state at the node of a wave, before changing back to a wave state?

This to me would explain why the quantum nature of light becomes more apparent at higher frequencies than at lower frequencies since there would be more nodes per unit of time with higher frequency photons than with lower-frequency photons.

Thoughts and/or explanations would be welcome. Just keep it simple please.
 
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chaslie said:
Please bear with me as I have been reading about quantum physics and, not being a physicist, I have some questions regarding the nature of wave-particle duality.

First of all, according to the special theory of relativity a particle with a rest mass would need infinite energy to accelerate to the speed of light. If this is the case, how is it possible for electromagnetic radiation to consist of particles?

Second, is it possible that instead of EMR being thought of as a wave-particle duality to think of it as oscillating between being a wave and a particle? In other words, can EMR change from a wave state to a particle state at the node of a wave, before changing back to a wave state?

This to me would explain why the quantum nature of light becomes more apparent at higher frequencies than at lower frequencies since there would be more nodes per unit of time with higher frequency photons than with lower-frequency photons.

Thoughts and/or explanations would be welcome. Just keep it simple please.

Photons have no mass. It is why it can move at c.

Please start by reading the FAQ subforums in both the General Physics forum and the Relativity forum.

Zz.
 
chaslie said:
Second, is it possible that instead of EMR being thought of as a wave-particle duality to think of it as oscillating between being a wave and a particle? In other words, can EMR change from a wave state to a particle state at the node of a wave, before changing back to a wave state?

This to me would explain why the quantum nature of light becomes more apparent at higher frequencies than at lower frequencies since there would be more nodes per unit of time with higher frequency photons than with lower-frequency photons.

Thoughts and/or explanations would be welcome. Just keep it simple please.

It is a nice thought, but it doesn't really work out. For example, for a plane wave, the probability of finding the photon is constant throughout space. It doesn't have 'nodes' where the probability goes to zero.

If you could make the wave-function of some particle be a standing wave (for example, a particle in a square well), then there would be 'nodes', where the probability of finding the particle goes to zero. But this does not mean the particle exists as purely particle and not wave at the nodes. It simply means the particle has zero probability of being found at the node.
 
how is it possible for electromagnetic radiation to consist of particles?

I am also not a physicist and have learned mainly from books. However I did read somewhere that photons can be considered not as particles but as 'packets' of defined energy (hence quantum). I believe the amount of energy in each 'packet' is defined by the frequency of the light, so at higher frequncies, the amount of energy is higher. This may be the reason that quantum phenomena are more obvious at higher frequencies.

I really not sure of what I'm saying, so please feel free to correct and verify anything :)
 

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