Questions for past physics undergrad researchers

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the experiences and advice of past undergraduate researchers regarding when and how to engage in research opportunities during their academic careers. Participants share their timelines, useful classes, and insights into the nature of undergraduate research roles.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants began research as early as their freshman year, while others started in their sophomore year, indicating variability in experiences.
  • Several participants noted that programming classes were particularly beneficial for their research, with some emphasizing self-taught programming skills as valuable.
  • One participant suggested that early research opportunities might not always be the best choice, as they could come at the expense of other valuable experiences or skills.
  • There is a consensus that professors typically seek undergraduates to assist with routine tasks rather than lead projects, although some exceptions may exist.
  • Participants discussed the trend of using initial research experiences at their home institutions to secure more competitive REU positions later on.
  • Some participants expressed a preference for research experiences at their colleges, citing a better fit for undergraduate needs compared to larger research institutions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of research experience and the value of programming skills, but there are differing opinions on the timing and nature of research opportunities, as well as the balance between research and other career development activities.

Contextual Notes

Participants' experiences are influenced by their specific academic environments and personal choices, which may not be universally applicable. The discussion reflects a range of perspectives on the timing and types of research opportunities available to undergraduates.

Who May Find This Useful

Undergraduate students considering research opportunities, academic advisors, and individuals interested in the undergraduate research experience in STEM fields.

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Hello PF,

I'm trying to get my prospects for REU and other research opportunities figured out, and when I might apply for them. Through my university's honors program, I am already guaranteed at least one research opportunity. That is, however, further down the line in my studies.

My questions are, at what point in your academic career did you start applying and doing research? What classes had you taken at the time, and which of those came in handy the most?; I know it will differ in each area, so please state that as well.

Thank you,

CT
 
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I did research the summer after my freshman year, and then throughout sophomore year and the summer after sophomore year. I'm a rising junior. Most people I know haven't done as much research though.

Honestly, the most useful class was programming...
 
I got a job on a project about quantum dots between my third and fourth year of undergrad and it worked out quite well for me. I'm not sure you need to pounce on any opportunity you can, as early as you can. In some cases that will help, I suppose, but you have to be aware of other things that you're potentially sacrificing - such as a higher paying job, or job where you might develop some marketable skills for when you eventually enter the workforce.

Generally speaking, when professors hire undergraduates they aren't looking for someone to lead a research project. While it's great if they can, and perhaps in some rare cases they do, most of the time, they are really just looking for someone to help with the more mundane work and are willing to offer a little extra time to teach you about what they're doing in addition to pay.
 
I started research my sophomore year at my home school, and did an REU after my sophomore year. Probably the most useful classes I had taken at that point were Calc 3 and ODE, and some physics helped. I didn't take a class in programming, but I had worked on it on my own which was very helpful. The research areas have been computational biology and fluid flows.
 
Most of the students at the college I worked at did research 2 or 3 summers during undergrad. The first summer was usually at the college, and then they used that experience as a springboard to get a more competitive REU somewhere else after sophomore and junior years.

Many of the students found they enjoyed the research more at the college since it catered more to the undergrad experience than working at an R1 university or at a national lab.
 
lasymphonie said:
Honestly, the most useful class was programming...

I'm taking programming this coming up semester, what did you learn in yours?
 
Choppy said:
I got a job on a project about quantum dots between my third and fourth year of undergrad and it worked out quite well for me. I'm not sure you need to pounce on any opportunity you can, as early as you can. In some cases that will help, I suppose, but you have to be aware of other things that you're potentially sacrificing - such as a higher paying job, or job where you might develop some marketable skills for when you eventually enter the workforce.

Generally speaking, when professors hire undergraduates they aren't looking for someone to lead a research project. While it's great if they can, and perhaps in some rare cases they do, most of the time, they are really just looking for someone to help with the more mundane work and are willing to offer a little extra time to teach you about what they're doing in addition to pay.

At this point, I'm not pouncing at anything. I've got some potential programs I'd like to be a part of, but right now I'm just focusing on getting all the information I can - then I can tell where and what to work on. I'm well aware of the place of an undergrad in research.
 

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