Questions on Freidel's Group Field Theory (hep-th/050516)

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The discussion revolves around Laurent Freidel's description of group field theory, specifically in relation to the Ponzano-Regge model and its implications for understanding the dynamics of gravity in a spin foam framework. Participants explore the relationship between the combinatorial structure of spin foam models and the underlying dynamics of the manifold they represent, as well as the invariance properties of these models.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the extent to which the invariance in the Ponzano-Regge model is due to its specific features versus being a combinatorial expression of the absence of local degrees of freedom in 2-D gravity.
  • Another participant suggests that the invariance is fundamentally a combinatorial expression of the lack of local degrees of freedom, highlighting the significance of the Ponzano-Regge construction.
  • A later reply indicates that the second question posed by the original poster is perceived as vague, suggesting a need for clarification.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of invariance in the Ponzano-Regge model, indicating that multiple competing interpretations exist regarding the relationship between combinatorial structures and underlying dynamics.

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Some assumptions regarding the definitions of terms like "invariance" and "combinatorial structure" remain unspecified, which may affect the clarity of the discussion.

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Questions on Freidel's "Group Field Theory (hep-th/050516)"

In Laurent Freidel's general description of group field theory, http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0505016" , which I am studying as preparation for the paper on getting quantum dynamics out of kinematics which was recommended by Helge Rose', I have hit a question. So in case others may want to follow this course to exciting new results, I pose it here, and dignify it with a thread in expectation there will be other questions.
Freidel says:
There are many examples of such {sc. spin foam} models. Historically, the first example is due to Ponzano and Regge [6]: They showed that the quantum amplitude for euclidean 2 + 1 gravity with zero cosmological constant can be expressed as a spin foam model where the group G is SU(2), the faces are labelled by SU(2) spin jf ... The remarkable feature of this model is that it doesn’t depend on the choice of the two complex F but only on MF
My question is: how far is this invariance due to features of the Ponzano-Regge model and how far is it a combinatorial expression of the lack of local degrees of freedom in 2-D GR? In general how does the combinatorial structure of a spin-foam model relate to the underlying dynamics on the manifold being represented?
 
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I suppose you meant hep-th/0505016, "Group field theory: An overview"?
 
Timbuqtu said:
I suppose you meant hep-th/0505016, "Group field theory: An overview"?


Yes. Quoting from the conclusion:

L. Friedel said:
We will like this letter to be an invitation for the reader to look more closely and further develop the GFT’s as a third quantized version of gravity. As we have argued, in order to insure that these theories effectively encode the dynamics of General relativity one needs to gain an understanding on the action of diffeomorphisms on spin foams
model and its counterpart in GFT, presumably implemented as a renormalisation group. We have discussed so far pure gravity models and a consistent inclusion of matter fields and particles in the GFT framework is clearly needed. Finally, an understanding of the physical meaning and properties of GFT instantons will provides us a window into the
non perturbative physics of these theories.
 
selfAdjoint said:
My question is: how far is this invariance due to features of the Ponzano-Regge model and how far is it a combinatorial expression of the lack of local degrees of freedom in 2-D GR? In general how does the combinatorial structure of a spin-foam model relate to the underlying dynamics on the manifold being represented?

selfAdjoint

It is basically a combinatorial expression of the lack of local degrees of freedom. The beauty of Ponzano-Regge was in actually constructing such an expression.

Sorry, but your second question is a little vague to me.
Kea :smile:
 

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