What is the effect of a steady force on a cyclic object on a smooth surface?

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The discussion revolves around the dynamics of a cyclic object, specifically a cylinder, subjected to a steady force on a smooth surface. The original poster seeks to understand the movement of the object, starting from rest.

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  • Participants discuss the application of Newton's laws to determine the acceleration of the center of mass and the angular acceleration of the object. There are questions about the nature of torque produced by the force and the implications of a smooth surface on friction and motion.

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Some participants have offered insights into the relationship between the applied force and the resulting torque, while others express confusion regarding the role of friction and the conditions under which torque is generated. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored without reaching a consensus.

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There is an ongoing discussion about the assumptions related to the smoothness of the surface and its implications for friction and torque. The original poster has indicated a lack of clarity regarding angular acceleration and its relationship to the applied force.

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Hi everybody,
I need your help in one easy-looking problem that has confused me a bit.

Suppose we have a small cyclic object of mass m, just like in the picture, on a smooth surface. A steady force F is pulling it. The force is always on point A, like in the picture. Describe the object's movement. (for t=0, v=0)

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1. Since the surface is smooth, only normal forces act upon the cylinder from the ground.

2. Use Newton's 2.law of motion to determin the acceleration of the center of mass
3. Use the moment-of momentum equation with respect to the center of mass to determine the angular acceleration.
 
arildno said:
1. Since the surface is smooth, only normal forces act upon the cylinder from the ground.

2. Use Newton's 2.law of motion to determin the acceleration of the center of mass
3. Use the moment-of momentum equation with respect to the center of mass to determine the angular acceleration.
I have found that if a is the acceleration of the center of mass then a=F/m. My problem is the angular acceleration. I am not sure if there's any at all. Of course there is N=RxF so a(ang)=(RxF)/I(cm) ? (supposing we know I(cm)) Is it that simple? The angular accelaration seems a bit weird for me for some reason because there is no resistance from the surface and because the force is always on A and not on a specific point of the mass.
 
It is no different than if a ball rolls and accelerates down an incline, then a frictional force acts upon whatever material point of the ball actually touching the incline at that particular moment.
This frictional force produces a torque about the center of mass.
 
arildno said:
It is no different than if a ball rolls and accelerates down an incline, then a frictional force acts upon whatever material point of the ball actually touching the incline at that particular moment.
This frictional force produces a torque about the center of mass.

Eh? Doesn't smooth imply no friction? It's the force, F that produces a torque, surely?
 
Nylex said:
Eh? Doesn't smooth imply no friction? It's the force, F that produces a torque, surely?
Yes, what I referred to was his puzzlement to why a force acting on successively different points of the ball still produces a torque.

The example with the friction was meant to convey that the actual contact point is not the same material point on the ball over time in the case of rolling.

I did not mean that there is any friction in the original case; F is the force producing the torque.
 
Nylex said:
Eh? Doesn't smooth imply no friction? It's the force, F that produces a torque, surely?
Yes, smooth impies no friction. Sorry guys for the bad use of language but it's the first time i am writing about Physics in English so I don't know many words.

Thanks for your help
 

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