Quiting my job. Tell the truth or lie?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the decision to quit a job and whether to communicate the true reasons for leaving or to withhold criticism. Participants explore the implications of honesty versus tactfulness in professional settings, particularly in engineering contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses dissatisfaction with the company's engineering methods and organization, questioning whether the president would appreciate honesty about the reasons for quitting.
  • Another participant advocates for always telling the truth, emphasizing that honesty is easier to remember and avoids complications from lies.
  • Self-preservation is highlighted by a participant who suggests that criticizing the company on the way out may not be professional, and that withholding information is not equivalent to lying.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that if the company is genuinely interested in improvement, they should have already engaged in discussions about employee feedback before an exit.
  • One participant notes that in the US, employees typically have the right to terminate employment without providing a reason, and emphasizes the importance of professionalism in communication.
  • Another participant suggests finding a tactful way to express concerns, arguing that venting frustrations may hinder productive dialogue.
  • The importance of maintaining good references is raised, indicating that the approach taken during resignation can impact future opportunities.
  • Some participants propose decoupling criticism from the act of quitting, suggesting that feedback could be more valuable if delivered while still employed.
  • Concerns are raised about the objectivity of opinions from someone who has decided to leave the company, questioning the effectiveness of such feedback.
  • A participant shares personal experiences of leaving a previous job, noting the mixed responses from management regarding feedback and exit reasons.
  • Advice is given to secure a new job before quitting and to do so diplomatically, highlighting the potential for future opportunities.
  • Questions are posed about the possibility of returning to the company if issues are resolved, suggesting that tactful communication could lead to positive outcomes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions on whether to be truthful or tactful when quitting. There is no consensus on the best approach, with multiple competing views on the importance of honesty, professionalism, and the potential consequences of each choice.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions hinge on assumptions about company culture and the nature of feedback mechanisms, which may vary widely across different organizations. The effectiveness of communication strategies may depend on individual circumstances and relationships within the workplace.

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I'm quiting because I dislike their engineering methods and organization. The company is so disoganized.

If you're the president of the company that I'm working for, would you appreciate me telling you the truth of why I'm quiting?

Would you tell the truth or tell a white lie?
 
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Always tell the truth, sometimes it might be difficult or uncomfortable but it will never be as bad as being caught out in a lie. Besides the truth is always easier to remember; liars get caught because their stories vary.
 
Self preservation!

Do what you think is the correct course of action. If your President is a powerful man in YOUR industry, do you really want to piss him off? criticising the company you work for, on the way out, is typically not the best thing to do, nor is it very professional. In this scenario there is no need to lie either, withholding information is not lying
 
david90 said:
If you're the president of the company that I'm working for, would you appreciate me telling you the truth of why I'm quiting?
Absolutely. They'll want to make money off your leaving.

If they're below average intelligence, they'll try to make you do an exit survey. Of course, if they are above average, they should have already had a conversation with you about your views on quality improvement, both for the obvious reason and to retain you.

If you don't have any other problems with the company, and you like working there, except for this issue, then you may not have to quit. Talk to your boss about improvements. If they will not listen, move over their head to their boss. If they won't listen, move to their boss, and so on, until no one else listens.

Then that will be the perfect opportunity for you to respectfully tell them you'd rather work for someone who will listen. :smile:
 
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If you live in the US, you most likely signed a statement saying that you, or your employer, can terminate your employment at any time, for any reason. You do not have to state a reason if you so choose. That is up to you. If you do provide a reason, it is best to be precise and to the point. Most of all, be professional. Do not burn any bridges. If you present your situation in a logical and well thought out manner, you may keep your job and help institute some change. Above all, be professional.
 
david90 said:
I'm quiting because I dislike their engineering methods and organization. The company is so disoganized.

If you're the president of the company that I'm working for, would you appreciate me telling you the truth of why I'm quiting?

Would you tell the truth or tell a white lie?
I'd find a tactful, positive way to tell the truth. Most managers are always open to positive suggestions that are backed up with proof. Taking your exit as a chance to vent personal frustrations and to trash the individuals you work for or with usually closes off any chance of a person actually listening to you.
 
To me it depends on if you want a good refrence.
 
If you care enough about what they're doing that you want them to know, why not decouple the criticsim from the quitting?

Tell them what you think. Use it as an opportunity to become known (in a positive way). Maybe they'll change.


On the other hand, if you're going to quit anyway, you're abandoning the team - they're not going to be interested in the opinion of someone who's given up on them. Since they still believe in their company - and you don't - that makes your opinions suspect of lack of objectivity.
 
I'm quiting because I dislike their engineering methods and organization.
Along the lines of Fred, Bob and Dave, I have to wonder if you have attempted to make recommendations for improvement previously, and were ignored. I wonder why one hired on with the company in the first place. Why not give the company a chance to change/improve?

As a manager, I'd want some feedback on the operation of the company.

Some managers don't.

I left the previous company, and while I told my manager and another my reasons, I didn't tell the VP because something he did behind my back was part of the reason I was leaving. Also, the HR and higher level managers didn't even bother to find out why I was leaving. I recently found out that a higher level manager was pretty upset I left, but no one from the corporate office bothered to ask me. Fortunately I had two offers when I left the previous company - instead they talked to the VP.

I didn't burn bridges, and I may actually hire the VP, who has since retired (he was forced out), for a project. :rolleyes:
 
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find a new job before you quit is my only advice, and quit diplomatically.
 
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Would you consider returning if they fixed the problems that are the reason you're leaving? Do you think it's fixable? If so, tell them as tactfully as possible. Maybe they will take your advice and if it works out, give you a ring to see if you want your old job back, and if they take it the wrong way or don't do anything about it, you don't want to go back anyway. If you really have no intention of ever returning, then there's not much use in bothering. Don't lie, but don't go into great detail.
 

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