Quotient field of the integral closure of a ring

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the quotient field of the integral closure of a ring and a finite extension of its field of fractions. Participants explore whether the quotient field of the integral closure of a domain R in a finite extension L of its field of fractions K is equal to L.

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  • One participant questions whether the quotient field of the integral closure S of R in L is equal to L, expressing uncertainty and a lack of counter-examples.
  • Another participant asserts that the quotient field of S is indeed equal to L, providing a reasoning based on the algebraic nature of elements in L over K and the properties of integral elements.
  • A third participant expresses gratitude for the discussion and reflects on their own understanding, indicating a personal struggle with the topic.
  • A fourth participant defends the initial question as valid and highlights the importance of foundational concepts in the context of the referenced textbook.

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There is disagreement regarding the initial question, with one participant asserting that the quotient field of S is equal to L, while the original poster believes it is not. The discussion remains unresolved as no consensus is reached.

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The discussion does not resolve the question of whether the quotient field of S is equal to L, and it relies on the assumptions of algebraic extensions and properties of integral closures without providing a definitive conclusion.

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This is probably a stupid question.
Let R be a domain, K its field of fractions, L a finite (say) extension of K, and S the integral closure of R in L.
Is the quotient field of S equal to L ?
I believe that not, but I have no counter-example.
 
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the answer is yes. let a be any element of L. we want to express a as a quotient of elements of S. since L is finite over K, it is also algebraic over K, so there is a polynomial satisfied by a, with coefficients in K, and multiplying out the denominators, which lie in R, we get coefficients in R. Suppose c is the lead coefficient, and the polynomial has degree n. i.e. we have c a^n +...=0. multiplying through by c^(n-1) then gives an equation satisfied by (ca), of degree n, and with coefficients in R, and lead coefficient = 1, hence ca is integral over R, i.e. ca belongs to S. Thus a = (ca)/c is a quotient of elements of S, one of which is actually in R.

This is proposition 1, in Lang's chapter on integral ring extension, and is thus essentially the first fact about them.
 
Thx. This was not a stupid question, I am stupid.
 
well, rather this is a vote for lang's book, in putting basic things at the beginning. the fact that you asked this shows you identified correctly a basic question. that is an intelligent trait.
 

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