Quotient Map Theorem: Topology Induced by f

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The discussion revolves around the Quotient Map Theorem as presented in Stephen Willard's General Topology, specifically focusing on the conditions under which the topology on Y induced by a continuous function f from X to Y is the quotient topology. The conversation explores the necessity of surjectivity of f and the implications of defining topologies based on continuous mappings.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that for the topology on Y to be the quotient topology induced by f, the function f must be onto, as this is necessary for the definition of the quotient topology.
  • Others clarify that the strongest topology on Y that makes f continuous can be defined for any map, regardless of surjectivity, but it is specifically termed the quotient topology when f is surjective.
  • A participant points out that the theorem's statement could allow for any subset of Y minus the image of f to be open, raising questions about the uniqueness of the quotient topology under non-surjective mappings.
  • There is a reiteration of the importance of the open mapping condition in the definition of the quotient topology, with some participants confirming that this relates to the surjectivity of f.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that surjectivity is a critical condition for the quotient topology, but there is contention regarding the implications of the strongest topology on Y and how it relates to non-surjective functions. The discussion remains unresolved on the broader implications of these definitions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the nuances in defining topologies based on continuous functions and the potential for multiple interpretations when surjectivity is not guaranteed. There are also references to specific exercises that may further clarify these concepts.

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Here is theorem 9.2 from Stephen Willard's General Topology:

If [tex]X[/tex] and [tex]Y[/tex] are topological spaces and [tex]f:X\to Y[/tex] is continuous and either open or closed, then the topology [tex]\tau[/tex] on [tex]Y[/tex] is the quotient topology induced by [tex]f[/tex].

So [tex]f[/tex] has to be onto doesn't it? Otherwise there will be multiple topologies on [tex]Y[/tex] that satisfy the hypotheses but are not the quotient topology?
 
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Yes, f has to be onto. This must be because [tex]\tau_f[/tex] is only defined for surjective maps.

And it is also used when they say [tex]f[f^{-1}(U)]=U[/tex]...
 
I advise you to do exercise 9H. Given any map f:X\to Y, with X a top. space, we can give Y the strongest topology that makes f continuous: {U in Y whose inverse image under f is open in X}. More generally this can be done for a collection of maps f_i:X_i\to Y, and take {U in Y for which the inverse image under each f_i's is open in X}. In the terminology of Willard, say that such a family of maps {f_i}_i "covers points of Y" iff each y in Y is in the image of some f_i. In this case, the topology just described is called the "quotient topology".

In particular, if the collection {f_i}_i consists of a single function, it covers points iff it is surjective. So this reduces to the definition that if f:X\to Y is surjective, then the strongest topology making f continuous is the quotient topology.


I guess my point is: the exact same construction can be done for any map, surjective or not. But if it is surjective, then we call it the quotient topology, because this amounts to dividing out an equivalence relation, i.e. 'glueing'.
 
But the strongest topology on Y that makes $f:X\to Y$ continuous immediately declares that all point sets outside the image of f are open. But the theorem as stated could declare that any subset of $Y-f(X)$ is open and still be the quotient topology. Okay, I see in the definition of the quotient topology it specifies an open mapping. Thanks.
 
ForMyThunder said:
But the strongest topology on Y that makes $f:X\to Y$ continuous immediately declares that all point sets outside the image of f are open.
That's true.
But the theorem as stated could declare that any subset of $Y-f(X)$ is open and still be the quotient topology. Okay, I see in the definition of the quotient topology it specifies an open mapping.
You mean onto?
 
Yep, my B.
 

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