##r-##independent angular momentum in quantum mechanics

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Why in quantum mechanics the angular momentum is independent of the ##r##?
Angular momentum as generator of rotation in defined by ##L=r\times p##. However, none of the angular momentum wave functions depends on the ##r##. They only depend on the angles.
 
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Inserting
$$\mathbf{p}=-i\hbar \nabla$$
in formula of L, you will prove that L has no r dependence.
 
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hokhani said:
TL;DR: Why in quantum mechanics the angular momentum is independent of the ##r##?

Angular momentum as generator of rotation in defined by ##L=r\times p##. However, none of the angular momentum wave functions depends on the ##r##. They only depend on the angles.
Intuitively: if r and v point in the same or opposite direction, L is zero. So only movement in the direction perpendicular to r contributes to L. Those are the angles.

By the way, this is also what makes the l=0 states of e.g. hydrogen clasically difficult to understand: it involves movement of a charge along a line through the nucleus. QMically, it means a spherically symmetric wavefunction. Bye bye classical orbits :P
 
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haushofer said:
Intuitively: if r and v point in the same or opposite direction, L is zero. So only movement in the direction perpendicular to r contributes to L. Those are the angles.

By the way, this is also what makes the l=0 states of e.g. hydrogen clasically difficult to understand: it involves movement of a charge along a line through the nucleus. QMically, it means a spherically symmetric wavefunction. Bye bye classical orbits :P
On the contrary, I think the particular case ##l=0## is more understandable from classical view. It describes the particle at rest. However, the quantum particle is not localized at a particular point. We can find it everywhere with the same probability.
 
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I think the particular case ##l=0## is more understandable from classical view. It describes the particle at rest.
No, the particle can't be at rest because it has nonzero kinetic energy. There is no classical state that corresponds to the ##l = 0## quantum state.

hokhani said:
The quantum particle is not localized at a particular point. We can find it everywhere with the same probability.
This is not correct; the ##l = 0## wave function does not have an equal amplitude everywhere.
 
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